My wife sowed some apple seeds from a grocery store apple, which germinated
just fine. Would these things do ok in the Mid-Atlantic region? This was
more of an experiment for our young kids, but I am wondering if these things
are viable here.
There is no 'might' about it. About the same odds as winning the jackpot lotto.
Why encourage these people to waste their time? If they had a one in ten chance
a decent apple, I might say try it, but the odds against it are more like 1 in
of thousands, or worse. People are going to reply that they had good luck with
certain stone fruits, etc., but these are different species of fruit with
characteristics. Apples do not reproduce anything genetically close, directly
their seed. There are no shortcuts in growing apple trees. End of story.
The apple tree I have in my yard is "Golden Dorset" or "Dorset
Golden", a chance seedling from Bermuda.
Unfortunately the people there didn't know as much as you, or they
would have eliminated it at the first opportunity.
Things with a one in a million probability happen every day in this
world, sometimes people even win the lottery.
I like my story better than yours. While I have lived with the idea of
never trying anything that I don't know the outcome, I don't recommend
it to others.
On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:46:29 -0400, "Buck Turgidson"
Maybe, but it is most likely that you will not be happy with the
result. Apples are grown on rootstock so that the rootstock
determines the growth habit of the tree and the variety is determined
by what is grafted to the root stock.
When you plant the seeds you get the variety of apple on that trees
rootstock which may not be suitable at all.
If you really want to grow apples I suggest that you decide which
variety you want and buy a tree from an nursery or supplier.
Be prepared for some serious pruning and pest control to get quality
My experience is that nearly everyone wants to grow their own apples
until they find out how much time and money must be invested to get
quality fruit. Then buying from a local orchard seems much more
acceptable to them.
Clearly I don't know enough botany to understand this, but how does
the root stock genetics affect the new seed? I can see the pollen and
egg genes getting mixed in the new seeds, of if apples reproduce by
apomixis, then the top stock could show up in the new seeds, but I
can't figure out how the root stock would.
There is no genetic connection between an apple rootstock and the variety
of scion (branch from the apple tree you want to propagate). The rootstock
simply acts as a base to feed the scion the nutrients it needs to grow.
do not reproduce by apomixis. They require pollination either from themselves
(self-fertile), or another tree. The reason apples cannot be successfully
from seed is due to regression of the genetics. Almost all apple seeds carry
genetic information of some 'average' of it's parents with those of the
these parents came from. Because apples usually require another apple tree to
pollinate them, these recessive genes are not weeded out from generation to
generation. Grafting on the other hand, is an exact genetic copy of the
apple. Peaches are usually self-pollinated, so these undesirable recessive
have been weeded out. That's why you would have much better luck growing
a peach tree from it's seed.
Hope I haven't confused you with the genetics.
Thanks. You have confirmed what I thought was the case. What John
posted didn't make sense to me.
I still disagree with you in that I think it might be interesting to
grow trees from random seeds as long as not too much is invested in
Somewhat true. The rootstock determines the size of the tree
This is so far wrong it's incredible.
Growing apples from seeds out of an apple you've eaten is definitely
just a fun experiment. You'll probably not get as good of an apple as
what you've eaten. Do it for fun, don't do it because you want to
start an orchard.
And definitely don't get your genetics lessons from John!
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
Are you saying that there is a better chance the resultant apples will taste
What's really incredible is that you believe that.
We are talking big big odds that you won't get a good tasting apple.
Why bother. There is no question that the seed would possibly produce
a tree. You do experiments when you don't know the outcome. If you
want to experiment, try grafting fruit onto a rootstock. At least you have
something useful when the experiment is over. Why not plant a peach seed
where you have a much better chance of success.
No, I did not say that. Your rabid resistance to anyone having a bit
of fun growing an apple from seed makes you see it that way, however.
No, I don't and once again I never said that I notice you didn't
bother correcting John's ridiculous statement about the seeds being
the result of the rootstock and not the flowering part of the tree.
You go absolutely blind with fury every time anyone brings up trying
to grow an apple from seed. Calm down!
Now why don't you get down off your high horse and stop trying to
convince everyone how stupid they are for trying something for fun?
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
First of all, I suggest you stop trying to demonize me. I am not the
grinch who stole Christmas. I'm simply trying to dispell the belief that
someone can expect to get a reasonable tasting apple by planting a
tree from a seed. If people think it's fun to plant apple seeds to see if
will make an apple tree and wind up with a spitter, be my guest.
I suggest you check your language vs. mine. You are the one who
needs to calm down.
I guess some people don't like having the facts presented to them.
I would not give a chemistry set to a child if I thought they could
blow themselves up with it. There are many other gardening things
kids can do, which are much more rewarding.
I agree that you wont get as good of an apple from a tree from a seed, but
they can still be canned, used as applesauce, and cooked in pies or
I have two in my yard started from seeds, a Fuji and a New Zealand rose. We
did it as an experiment, and both are not 7 to 8 feet tall. They wont
produce for another year or two. We also have a golden delicious and a Fuji
ordered from a catalog.
Your kids will love them, and I am glad Johnny Appleseed didn't have the
attitude that some of us have about starting trees from seeds. You cant do
worse than he did.
HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.