I have an angel trumpet in a large pot. It is 3-4 feet tall and I have had
it a few months. The leaves were quite large but now they seem to be cupping
under. Kind of like you would cup your hand around something. Even the new
leaves have this odd look. What does this mean? I keep the soil evenly
moist. I live in Houston and it gets afternoon sun but there are some
branches from other plants that overhang a bit. Should I feed more or less?
I have emailed the person I bought it from but haven't heard back yet.
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:24:01 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
Do you know what you mean by "angel trumpets?" Are the flowers
upright or hanging down?
I can tell you that if you have datura or brugmansia it is normal for
them to wilt in the hot afternoon and they do not do well in full sun
here in TX at this elevation. Their native place is in the Andes
mountain range where it is moist and cool at night. We get very
little relief in TX at night.
Do NOT over water it thinking the problem is to water it too much. The
other thing it could be is not enough water. In containers these
plants, when grown in TX need to be watered daily in mid-morning.
Sometimes if the container is small, they need two waterings. Again,
wilting is normal. They do this to conserve water.
I think its real name is brugmansia. The flowers are double and they hang
down. I don't think it is wilting because the new leaves have that same
cupped shape. I wish I could take a picture but I can't. The pot is big.
Would it help if I moved it to the shade? This has happened within the last
2 weeks, at first the leaves were very large. I just know I am killing it in
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:57:49 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
You probably have Brugmansia x candida 'Double White.'
I have two of those and both are very prone to spider mites. Without
seeing the plant I cannot help you determine the problem. They are
heavy feeders and I fertilize mine every two weeks. I also put a
strong spray of water under the foliage daily to wash off spider
mites. Regardless what they say in books, Brugs do not like heat. Not
the heat we have in Texas. One of my Brugmansia spp is blooming right
now. Maybe tomorrow I'll put some photo's on my silly blog.
Check for little webs between the stunted leaves and if you see those,
you have spider mites.
Brugmansia, Datura also known as Angels Trumpets will show signs of leaf
curl if they are in full sun they prefer partial sun, they also need
regular feeding to prevent yellowing of the leaves and to promote the
growth of the huge flowers they produce. Ensure also that the plants
pot is large enough as the root growth on these plants is amazing, best
If you need any more help e mail on our enquires at
Brugmansia and Datura are two different plants altogether,
taxonomically speaking. Brugs are Angel trumpets, Datura are Devil's
trumpets. Common names are idiotic. Cupping has nothing to do with
fertilization and yellowing foliage is normal as it self-limbs. They
can grow and produce in a three gallon pot as long as they have
adequate water. One wind and they'll tip over, but still can survive
just the same. I have 30 of these plants in tubs.
This plant is important to me and I am determined that it not die. We
don't have a nursery close so I am going to snip a couple of leaves and take
them to Ace Hardware and get help. It would be better to have a real plant
place but my choices are Home Depot or Ace. I dusted it with Ortho rose and
floral dust, scratched in some ironite and moved it a little back under a
tree fern leaf. I am hoping that someone there can look at the leaves and
say 'yes, you need to do this and everything will be fine'. I don't have a
'green thumb' at all but I really would like this plant to survive my care.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:31:49 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
You were given advice, but you did what you wanted anyway so if the
plant dies, oh well. Nobody told you to dust with Ortho rose and
floral dust and certainly nobody told you to ad ironite, which has
toxic levels of arsenic in it. I've been growing these plants for
decades. Don't ask a question and then go do whatever you want
anyway. Don't waste my time. Take it to Ace Hardware. Don't take
time to use the biggest library on earth, the Internet.
I am sorry to have offended anyone. I was just trying really hard to gather
as much advice as possible. I have searched the Internet and I guess my
computer skills match my plant growing skills because I couldn't find
anything that exactly matched my problem so I made a judgment call, possibly
wrong. The dusting was in case there were bugs I couldn't see, there were no
webs, the ironite was in case I had overwatered and stressed the plant and I
also tried to get it out of the sun as much as I could. I reasoned that the
'cupping' could mean that the leaf veins are not supporting the leaf causing
it to collapse. Again I am sorry to offended anyone in anyway.
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:18:09 -0500, "Phyllis Stone"
You didn't offend me. You offended the way nature works by poisoning
without the slightest bit of knowledge of what or why you wanted to
kill this mystery thing, insect, mite, using some broad, carcinogen.
It's probably not listed for use on spider mites anyway. A good way
to kill plant is to use poisons improperly. If you read the label
you'd know you should first identify the problem. I gave you a
reasonable answer by telling you to spray the undersides of the
foliage with forceful water. That's all you needed to do for
"potential" spider mites. They are most likely the only animal you'd
not be able to see with the naked eye without a 10x eye loop.
Then you put Ironite in the container. What was that for? I'm not
offended, you wasted my time because while i gave you methods you did
what you wanted to do anyway. Why ask, is my point.
I am glad you weren't offended. I did get hands on help and there were no
spider mites, as I suspected. As you know it is very hot in Tx. and I took
someone's advice and moved the plant to a more filtered location. You have
been a big help and I am sorry I provoked you to be rude as I am sure you
are usually a very helpful person whose time should never be wasted. As I
stated my, goal was to save the plant and I think I did. Thanks again for
all the helpful impute.
Wow, Jangchub, I would be shocked if anyone listened to anything you say since
you say everything in such insulting and offensive way. Quite likely you are
very knowledgeable but you certainly have no clue how to be nice lol!
One of the hazards of reading Usenet posts on Homeowners Hub is that
Homeowners takes news postings and displays them as if in a forum where
old news never dies.
Some of here on Usenet may remember this post from 2008, but most of us don't.
Please don't read/post on that forum, or if you must, at least read the
dates and include the original post in your reply.
I've just read the original question/problem from 2008, and all the answers that
aren't answers. The lady had an angel trumpet/brugmansia, not a datura/devil's
trumpet... my first "go to" whenever I have a new plant problem, whether in a
pot or in the ground, is to 1) take a cutting of the area/part in question to my
local agriculture extension office. There is usually someone there who can
identify the problem and give me a solution or a science based "try this". 2) I
take a soil sample to the extension office.. if you've never done one, they're
easy and the folks at the extension office can tell you how to do it; give you
the box and paperwork to complete (no charge for advice) In my area (NC), the
soil samples are free from April thru Nov. Take the soil sample back to the
extension office; they will send it to their participating USDA soil lab for
analysis. The results will be posted online (usually about 2-3 wks) and you can
get the results online. The analysis will tell you what, if anything needs to
be added to the soil for optimal growth of the particular pant(s) that you are
trying to grow. Most of the extension offices have plant clinics during the
summer.. also free .. where you can call, email, or walk in. Most problems
related to insects, fungus, mold, and some viruses can be identified while yoiu
wait. Once you're armed with this information, git on with it.. good luck,
call your extension office. They are a wealth of information. All at no cost.
Google brought me to this post as I search for an answer to a like problem this
person is having. It was the comment you speak of that caused me to decide to
seek help elsewhere. This post may be from 2008 but the truth is it still deters
people from seeking help here today. I agree with you completely. ????
Can’t believe you apologized to that self righteous narcissist - you have a right to do whatever you choose with the advice given. Some ego maniacs lose their minds when you don’t treat their words like God’s own. You have free will... I doubt you need to apologize for exercising that right