Not only that but a good deal of what they teach is just plain _wrong_. The only thing they really teach people how to do is go to school, which in the real world is about as useless a skill as one can imagine.
The thing that is frightening is that so many people, having gone through that, then willingly subject their own kids to it.
It was 1980 that I read this interview, not the mid-seventies.
Here is the article that led so many places....
The books led us to Urie Bronfenbrenner and others that I cannot remember now.
Here is wiki's article on John
Lee and Billy spoke of this.
Thanks for the memories, Bill. :-)
Charlie
Just like the cheap seats I can look about stored papers and find gold.
John Gatto !! Check the Youtube for sure
Nah, the '80 Datoon is a gas guzzer at 20 mpg, think about it is that it thrives on abuse and rarely needs repairs. The '91 Sentra though, that beautiful puppy got 40 mpg avg., and about 45 mpg on the road.
LCD has to be raised.
Complete agreement.
I agree again.
It seems that it all boils down to the teacher, which is critical if your going to have the same one for the next eight years. Teachers are like books and movies, they are good for some audiences and not others. Coloribus gustibus non disputatum as someone like to say;-)
Willingly? I dunno...lots of parents would love to send their children to good private schools but can't even begin to think about paying those prices. And I mean parents who are willing to sacrifice, big-time! The only places that still teach the 3Rs are the religious schools, because they get teachers on the cheap.
Sounds horrible. I can't imagine a teacher doing that. You sound like the student that all teachers are looking for. My experience has been that a third of the students don't need the teacher's help if the information is presented in an intelligent way that bridges from the known to what is to be learned. Probably, another third need a little help, and another third that needs support. And then there is that 5% or so that defy you to teach them. I think most of them are just afraid of failing, so they don't try.
Today's classes are too large, 20 students should be a max. And not all students have a textbook that they can take home. Some classes are taught from surplus magazines. Not enough money they say.
Teachers have become the dumping grounds for societies problems. You can't hug a kid. If you see a bruise, should you report it? Parents don't know about sex, so it becomes the teachers role to explain it. Drug education is pure propaganda. Explaining the health consequences of smoking marijuana when everyone knows that no one has ever died or gotten cancer from a cannabinol overdose and that beer and tobacco are legal and can kill you. Knowing this, the kids don't listen when you try to tell them how bad methamphetamine and heroine is.
250C and sulfuric acid rain? Maybe the cockroaches should check with Steven Hawking, so that they can line up their boats:o)
I misunderstood the assumption and question. I remember John Gatto
*now* that you mention him."My brain is like a sieve" ~~Thomas Dolby
Charlie. winamp - "Aliens Ate My Buick" - Ability to Swing - 4:30 - Thomas Dolby
No, but maybe people who can't afford them should consider how costly it is to raise a child in this world and have fewer. Maybe priorities would also change. There is home schooling as a viable option and since I don't have children, I can't truly say, but I'm fairly certain I would chose that option. Again, I have no children so my opinion on this aspect is not valid in the broad sense.
I mow my own lawn, weed my own garden when I can and I never haggle the price when I have my very old live oaks pruned. Actually, I always give more than asked and this last time I had the trees pruned I gave a brand new McCulloch chain saw to the owner of the service who didn't speak a word of English. I'm not heartless. Nowhere near.
Well, they have been trying like hell to build a TWO MILLION dollar football stadium. The part is not the placement of funds, but on the other side of the coin the average out of pocket spent by teachers in order for their "room" to have what it needs to inspire is $700.00. Not to mention salary. I think the average teacher in our district is approximately $30k. I don't have to tell anyone the more educated a person is in this academic climate in Texas is not, NOT attracted to teach. Teach to the test. Thanks dubbya.
We call it caca del toro in these here parts!
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...really ?
Got any citations?
cheers
oz, wondering how well lee would do in an Aegis cruiser's CIC
Jangchub is one word, not two and shouldn't ave a dual letter associated with the shorthand. I don't sign my posts enough, but I am Victoria, not JC.
Kinda shoots the argument that paying teachers more would result in better education. Actually, the reason private / religious schools produce better products is that they are allowed to exact discipline. As a frequent temp, I have that luxury in the public school. Students act up, I throw them out. "Where should I go" they ask. "I don't care" I answer. Then I get on with the task of the day to, usually, interested students.
cheers
oz
What about accessability? Lots of parents don't live anywhere near private or alternative schools. There are places other than cities, you know, like out here in the sticks, areas which so many people overlook and write off.
And furthermore, there are countless numbers of homeschoolers who continue to teach the "3 Rs". Also parents and grandparents who "supplement" public education.
The reason "religious" schools still teach well may be on account of the fact they don't bite the federal carrot and don't accept federal monies. Has nothing to do with getting teachers "on the cheap".
Charlie
Wow, if I didn't know you wrote this post I'd have thought it was one of mine. I completely stopped entering the doors of a school at the sixth grade. The day I turned 16 I officially quit.
There was one teacher who gave me a little bit of inspiration. For a short time I attended my English class. This happened because everyone I hung out with went to class during that period, so I went too.
The book we were interpreting was "Lost Horizon." She said she was not really a teacher, but she was from Utopia and we were given a choice to make. We could stay here in this "reality," or we could go back with her. The one thing was, we couldn't return. Once we went, we went. I found this very interesting for a few minutes.
I grew up with people like Andrew Dice Clay. It was our highschool, James Madison in Brooklyn, NY where we "cut out" daily. The time period was when they were filming "The Lord's of Flatbush." It was our school as the backdrop for the film. I knew the girl who lived in the house where the Susan Blakely character lived in the film.
It's actually not Flatbush there, it's East Flatbush.
Anyway, I was bored to tears with school until I entered College where I was with like minds with similar interests and I love it.
Pardon the rambling, I fell on my knee replacement leg today so I'm on some interesting pain medication!
Victoria
Waldorf, Maryland? My first cousin lives there. Breezy Court, Waldorf, MD. It's nice there, but Austin is very hard to beat. I adore living here. The city's motto is "Keep Austin Weird!"
Sixty seven percent of the adults who live here have had higher education. Of those, almost half have graduate level degrees and of them, a third have their PhD.
It's said that if one need live in Texas, Austin is the place to be. It's the blue planet in the vast red of the dubya show.
Victoria
Wake up, Rip V.W. Let me count the ways in which our beloved leader has subverted the U.S. Constitution by hacking away at the wall between Church and State! Pandering to his supposed * "base" he -- or rather his puppet-masters -- have been dishing out Federal dollars to "faith-based" schools on flimsy pretexts for much of his tenure.
Religious schools DO in fact pay their teachers less than public or private schools! I'm always reading protests about under- paid religious school teachers. Of course in the case of the Catholic Church, it's because they use (not exclusively) priests and nuns.
Must be across the Pond. Temps in the U.S. public schools, especially large urban ones, have a terrible time. A dear friend of mine (now deceased) was a writer who eked out a living by substituting. He reported spit balls along with every kind of nuisance and disturbance. Subs like him generally wise up and run a movie for the students while they read a book.
Aspasia
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