Stupid Newbie Question about Design Issues

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Joe Barta wrote:

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The Blind Man and the Elephant
It was six men of Indostan To learning much inclined, Who went to see the Elephant~(Though all of them were blind), That each by observation~Might satisfy his mind. The First approached the Elephant, And happening to fall Against his broad and sturdy side, ~ At once began to bawl: "God bless me! but the Elephant ~ Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling of the tusk, Cried, "Ho! what have we here? So very round and smooth and sharp? ~ To me 'tis mighty clear This wonder of an Elephant ~ Is very like a spear!"
The Third approached the animal, And happening to take The squirming trunk within his hands, ~ Thus boldly up and spake: "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant ~ Is very like a snake!"
The Fourth reached out an eager hand, And felt about the knee. "What most this wondrous beast is like ~ Is mighty plain," quoth her; "'Tis clear enough the Elephant ~ Is very like a tree!"
The Fifth who chanced to touch the ear, Said: "E'en the blindest man Can tell what this resembles most; ~ Deny the fact who can, This marvel of an Elephant ~ Is very like a fan!"
The Sixth no sooner had begun About the beast to grope, Than, seizing on the swinging tail ~ That fell within his scope, "I see," quoth he, "the Elephant ~ Is very like a rope!
And so these men of Indostan Disputed loud and long, Each in his own opinion ~ Exceeding stiff and strong, Though each was partly in the right ~ And all were in the wrong!
So oft in theologic wars, The disputants, I ween, Rail on in utter ignorance Of what each other mean, And prate about an Elephant Not one of them has seen!
-John Godfrey Saxe
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Tue, Jan 10, 2006, 1:18pm (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@bellsouth.net (DonkeyHody) now thinks I'll admit: <snip> But you've got to admit that hardwood is stiffer. <snip>
I don' got to admit nuthin'.
Maybe, over a long span, but none of the spans in my sfuff are over 18", max. For all practical purposes, no difference. If I was making something fancy, I'd not go so cheap. However... ANYTHING in my shop, stands, etc., is subject to being changed. It'd be a waste of money to go with anything but el cheapo 1/2" ply. Just now I'm making another saw sled. I'd say "new", but I'm recycling part of the old one. I figure I'll need to "fine-tune" it, once it's together - which means I'll cut some on it, add some, etc. Probably won't paint it - but that's to be decided later.
JOAT You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you "know"? - Granny Weatherwax
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J T wrote:

Uh sorry. Begging your pardon. I temporarily forgot who I was talking to. Of course you don' got to admit nuthin. You are JOAT after all. :)
But any reasonable person would admit that hardwood is stiffer. If it's stiffer over the long span then it's stiffer over the short span too. Whether or not the difference in stiffness is important is a personal preference, not a question of fact. Now I enjoy recreational arguments as much as the next guy, but typing is not my favorite activity. So I'm gonna bow out now without asking you to admit to anything else.
In good fun DonkeyHody
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"dw" wrote in message

About the same size as an army surplus wooden footlocker from WWII/Korea/Vietnam era.
The one I is have is at least 40 years old and, IIRC, made from 3/8" plywood. More than strong enough for a kids toy/play box as it was used as a microphone storage/lock box and routinely bounced around the country/world by 300 pound gorilla's, otherwise known as "roadies", back in the days of my yoot.
A good design, maybe you can DAGS and find one on the net. If not, I could possibly take pictures and post them onABPW.
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Tue, Jan 10, 2006, 12:02pm (EST-1) snipped-for-privacy@nospam.com (Swingman) doth recall the "old" days: <snip> The one I is have is at least 40 years old and, IIRC, made from 3/8" plywood. <snip>
Hah. I've got one of the "good" ones with the metal reinforced edges and corners. No telling how old it is now, but still looks just like the day I got it - somehow got on the good side of a supply sgt, and he gave me my footlocker. Just wish I'd thought to ask him for a couple more. Don't recall just when, or where, I got mine, but it was sometime in the early 60s. It was used then, so I don't know how you'd tell when it was made. Maybe I'll google it one day.
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dw wrote:

I wouldn't, I'd use solid wood. But then again I'm very partial to solid wood and most everything I build is all from solid wood. I also tend to think solid wood holds up better under abuse.

Well, one guideline that has been mentioned in other threads is that you should realize that kids are goind to beat the crap out of it... especially boys. Build accordingly.
Joe Barta
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I used cheap pine 1x4 and 1x6 with 2x4 for the corners and a smidgen of plywood for the top and bottom.
http://www.avercy.com/knothole/images/projects/toychest11b.jpg

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dw Wrote: > My wife wants me to keep the materials cost to a minimum...
Sounds like my wife, too!
How about using 3/4" mdf? It is heavy, but it is inexpensive. For painting, its smooth surface can't be beat. If you are moderately careful with your joinery, you can build a rock solid box that can take a ton of abuse. I'd probably avoid the lid (or use stout lid support hardware) otherwise you will have conked heads and squished fingers.
About five years ago I built a pyramidal shaped box with a flat top for my 1945 era shopsmith turned dedicated drill press. This is a super heavy tool and the box-base has held together great. I'm a pretty big guy (250 lbs) and I actually jumped hard on the box before mounting the tool - the box didn't even squeak under the pressure and weight.
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