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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 06:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

That's really great. There's nothing worse than to have a software translate into garbage what you spent hours to produce. Early PC printer drivers come to mind.

Really? Sounds like a damned good deal, but what size? Hmm, 48" x 34" x 24". Pretty nice. How does PartWorks compare to Aspire? At all?
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Both are made by Vectric. Aspire, however, has a 3D modelling component that PartsWorks doesn't. When buying a ShopBot, Partsworks (VCarvePro) is included but the 3D version (Aspire) is another $800.00.
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 16:31:32 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

So PartWorks is an Aspire Light, hmm? Did Vectric write the software for ShopBot, or did ShopBot build to Vectric?
Here's a DIY 5-axis machine, supposedly with zero backlash. Plans are $149, send email for B/C drive price. (Uh, oh!)
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:31:06 -0700, Larry Jaques

OK, here's the URL, for you fussy folks. http://www.doughtydrive.com/machine%20demo1.html
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Partworks 3D is the same as Aspire, I think they have the same features, although I don't know if that includes the new features of Aspire 3. Vectric's engineers came from ArtsCAM and I don't know at which point Partsworks was developed. I also don't know if the Partsworks will export toolpaths to hundreds of different CNC controllers.
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

OK, thanks.
And speaking of nukes, http://www.wimp.com/scarything / I'm reduced to tears over this one.
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RE: Subject
When a nuke plant can purchase commercial liability insurance and has a real plan for handling the waste stream (Burying it isn't a plan), get back to me.
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The status quo needs a bit of polish, other than that, what other plan do you have to move millions of people when the oil runs out? It is a lot easier to put up a barrier than a solution.
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On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 22:05:33 -0700, Lew Hodgett wrote:

Too noisy for Californians
http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/history/loco/locohs05.shtml
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[snipped a shitload of back-n-forth]

Nowhere do I suggest to stop pursuit of alternate energy sources. I have suggested we hang onto resources we can't replace, and using NG as a stop-gap fuel is wasteful and not smart. Build small nukes with better safety devices and better location selection.
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"Robatoy" wrote:

as a stop-gap fuel is wasteful and not smart. ------------------------------- How many hundred years before we run out of N/G?
One? Two? Two+?
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Point is, we *will* run out at the current rate of extraction. It is also irresponsible to let our children's children be saddled with the aftermath of our reckless behaviour. Add to that that the processes to extract the last bit of NG is going to be more and more destructive the closer to the last gasp we get. The fracking, fricking, cracking, digging and boiling of rock at insane depths is going to push the cost of NG to the point where the economic toll of that bad addiction is going to cause some bad behaviour by those who feel they have the exclusive right to such resources.
The quest for energy has made us do some pretty sad things, take some bad chances. From the guy with the harpoon in his quest to capture metric tons of whale oil to the scientist who burns his vital organs because the forgot to close the lead lid on those powerful radio active sources, they have learned that specific sources of energy are either finite (whales) or difficult to handle (nukes). There was a time when they thought the oceans would never run out of whales, just like some think we'll never run out of oil or gas. The "as long as there's enough while I'm alive" argument is selfish and disgusting.
Here's an idea: Seriously increase the price of gas today and set up a fund to use for fusion research. Take control of the oil and gas industries because that shit in the ground belongs to all of us, not just a few manipulative greedy bastards that are behaving badly.
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"Robatoy" wrote:

100,200,200+ years?
By any estimate, alternate renewable energies will have been developed and deployed as more cost effective than N/G long before supplies are exhausted. --------------------------------------

aftermath of our reckless behavior. ------------------------------------- So much for coal and oil. -----------------------------------

The fracking, fricking, cracking, digging and boiling of rock at insane depths is going to push the cost of NG to the point where the economic toll of that bad addiction is going to cause some bad behaviour by those who feel they have the exclusive right to such resources. -------------------------------------- A good case for dropping oil exploration if you ask me. ------------------------------------

metric tons of whale oil to the scientist who burns his vital organs because the forgot to close the lead lid on those powerful radio active sources, they have learned that specific sources of energy are either finite (whales) or difficult to handle (nukes). There was a time when they thought the oceans would never run out of whales, just like some think we'll never run out of oil or gas. The "as long as there's enough while I'm alive" argument is selfish and disgusting. ------------------------------------- Yep. ----------------------------------------

industries because that shit in the ground belongs to all of us, not just a few manipulative greedy bastards that are behaving badly. ------------------------------------ How about "Cap & Trade"?
As others have said before, our survival as a planet depends on finding and developing renewable energy forms at affordable prices while eliminating fossil fuel sources from our energy sources.
Current weather conditions are simply indicative of things to come if we don't start getting CO2 out of our atmosphere.
I would love to see nuclear be part of that energy mix; however, no commercial insurance carrier will write liability coverage for a nuke and the blatant bull shit being spewed by the industry lobby does nothing to make me believe the industry is ready for prime time.
The nuke industry is looking at initial cost to make a sale, trying to ignore total cost of ownership over the life cycle of a facility.
Been to that movie.
Lew
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:34:40 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy

Absolutely!
P.S: I want my Mr. Fusion!
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Plan or not, nuclear plants are doing a much better job of handling their waste than coal fired plants. Quite a bit cleaner on the input side too, though most any kind of mining can be problematic.
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"Larry W" wrote:

Not sure the Japanese would agree with you.
BTW, did you see where Florida Power & Light leveled a coal fired generating station over the weekend so the it can be replaced with a natural gas fired generating station on the same site.
How much fly ash does natural gas generate?
Progress IS being made dumping dirty non renewable fuel sources.
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Well, I'm not sure either, but do you think they'd rather deal with something like these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Fossil_Plant_coal_fly_ash_slurry_spill
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Creek_Flood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_County_coal_sludge_spill
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"Larry W" wrote:

You think maybe that the above had something to do with the Florida Light & Power decision to replace a coal fired unit with a natural gas unit?
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