Just bought a Milwaukee circ saw, made in Mexico...too early to tell on
Just bought a Milwaukee vise, made in USA. Also a piece of shit. Never
seen quality that bad in all my days. Taking it back this weekend.
Apparently this was the last one they made, too, because I can't find vises
offered for sale anywhere on Milwaukee's website.
Must have been too embarassed after making this crap.
You just can't believe how bad this vise is.
I just had a problem with a Makita cordless drill. The reverse switch
would no longer function. I sent it out to a factory authorized repair
shop that is here in the states. They did repair it but now it will go
forward when in reverse position and reverse when in the forward
What does that say about the quality of the US worker??
If a company can get a tool built in China to the same standards for half
price then thats where they will shop. If the American worker cannot compete
then who is at fault?
As consumers, we all want the best for the least cost.
Look at what the Japanese did to the automobile industry by giving consumers
what they wanted at a price they were prepared to pay.
There is a lesson there so learn from it rather than complain about it.
Such is life.
The choice is buy as local as possible. The job your saving may
(strike that) WILL be your own. Think of whatever it is that your
employer manufactures. I don't care if it is widgets to rockets.
There are any number of sub developed nations who can build it cheaper
if YOU are willing to buy from them. Are you willing to ship your
money offshore just to save $4.99 on that pair of pliers. Are you
going to encourage the customers of the products YOU make to save a
buck or two by buying the foreign version of whatever it is you do for
Just noticed your tag line, "Never Enough Money". If you ever want to
do your part in turning that around buying the cheapest widget on the
shelf isn't a real great start.
I want to see any third world country print a daily newspaper, deliver it
within three to four hours, and do it for less money.
If the newspaper could even be air freighted in time, the delivery costs
would exceed the cost of printing here in the USA.
Strangely enough, that seems to be a _major_ limiting factor in the
outsourcing to India/elsewhere craze. According to a VC CEO who spoke
earlier this week, finding a building with sufficient
(power/water/sewer/transportation/comms) infrastructure has gotten to be a
real problem. People can be anywhere, but you still have to have
electricity, and you have to be able to support their activities. Tangible
goods have to move in and out.
Rather makes you think about the level of investment it took to get the
industrialized world up to speed, and the challenge of keeping it there.
One of the issues raised (whether correctly or not) in the prices for
thiings like oil and cement, was the investment in Chinese infrastructure
in the past five years.
Competition in the marketplace exists at many levels.
Dremel, Ellis and Miller are also US made. Also made in the US:
Shop-vac (according to what I found), Campbell Hausfeld, Tecumseh,
S-K Tools, and a constantly-dwindling pile of others. I've been
trying to get my hands on a good list of them for a while, but it
seems like someone is trying to keep it all secret. All I can find is
a bunch of BS from the AFL-CIO about how spiffy unions are when I try
and find a source for US manufacturers.
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
Not only is "Shop-Vac" made in the USA, it says so on the box, unless
there is a Town in China named USA. :) but it is exported to Good ol'
OZ. I bought one just the other day from Bunnings for $98.99 AU. Thought
it was a fair price. The shed hasn't looked so clean in years ;).
All the best
Mum and Dad often used to speak of an "England" in Japan that used to
produce products as "made in England" just after the 2nd war. This was
the period when you'd get a tin toy and upon investigation find that it
was made from Baby Powder tins etc turned inside out and re-pressed.
Recycling at it's very earliest :)
Just for a lark, I read the origins of what was on my bench a few
Milwaukee jigsaw...Made in Germany.
Milwaukee 1 3/4 HP router.. "assembled" in USA
Milwaukee 2 1/4HP router .. "assembled" in USA
Hitachi 12MV router made in Malaysia.
I think the "assembled" in USA is somewhat like some chocolate bars as
MAY OR MAY NOT CONTAIN SOME OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING:
Ya figgur a lawyer dreamt that one up?..<G>
I think the whole world is going to pot....which MAY OR MAY NOT CONTAIN
SOME OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING......
I was looking at jigsaws the other day and it was fun to see where they
all were made. Top of the line Bosch: Switzerland, second tier Bosch:
USA, Milwaukee: Czech Republic, Hitachi: Ireland. I bought the Swiss
made Bosch, not because of where it was made, but because I liked it
best, mainly because it had the biggest base and I think that will pay
off for woodworking. All things being equal, I'll buy American, but
things are seldom equal. At Lowes the other day I paid more than twice
as much for American made Channel Lock needle nose pliers over generic,
because I wanted a tool that was precise and tough. The same day I
bought an import Stanley tape measure over the old school American made
one because I liked the way it didn't reel in as soon as I let go of the
tape. I used to worry about it more, but then one day it occurred to me
that none of those people in those factories were doing me any favors,
nor were they likely to if they got the chance. I worked for the
Japanese for a couple of years. Very polite, soft spoken and modest
executives. Can't say the same for very many of the American ones I
have known. They can sink or swim on their own merits as far as I'm
concerned. But really the precarious state of American manufacturing
can all be blamed on our gutless politicians more than anything else.
We need our factories to be regulated for pollution, fair business
practices and safety, yet they have to compete with countries like China
which don't do anything of the kind. Goods that are made in conditions
that would be unacceptable here should either not be imported or heavily
tariffed. Neither is happening. Blame the politicians. That's where
it all begins and ends.
Politicians are only a small part of the problem. Include the greed of
Unions, the crimes of CEOs, the failure of the educational system, the
decay of the work ethic, child labor laws that prevent 14 year olds
from find a summer job so that Nintendo is the only alternative, and
Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but you will have to pardon
me if I roll my eyes when you say politicians are only a small part of
the problem. Most industrial nations are more unionized than the US,
and union membership, power and influence has been on a steady decline
for a while now. Don't tell me you haven't noticed the intimate
connection between unions and politicians. Our educational system is
government run--politicians again. Your assessment of the American work
ethic isn't born out by some easily verifiable facts. We have the
highest productivity and the highest GDP/capita in the world. The
honesty of our greedy, callous CEO's, as hard as it may be to believe,
compares favorably to most other nations. I heard more than one
financial analyst joke that the way Enron cooked their books was the
rule not the exception in the far east.
You imply that unions are a smaller influence in the US and are on the
decline. Then you say that the US ranks high in productivity and GDP.
Could there be a connection: weaker unions more productivity?
A lot of the productivity gains are due to the penetration of better
technology, not better workers.
Our education system is 90% run by teacher's unions and 10% run by
government. The government asically just sends money. Then when the
government and the citizenry demand some accountability (as the No
Child Left behind program tries to introduce), the teachers sabotage it
instead of embracing it. In fact, the whole reason it was introduce is
because the teaching establishment has failed misreably and they think
only they can fix it.
Regarding our work ethic -- I keep hearing that the illegal immigrants
come here to do work Americans won't do. Is that work ethic?
For some. Do you do, or want to do, stoop labor for barely over minimum
wage? If you have never done that kind of labor, you don't know what
you're missing (fortunately). Or would you like to work as a maid,
putting in a dozen hours a day six or more days a week? People take
those kinds of jobs, normally, only in the hope they can advance from
them. The current illegal immigrant set up locks the illegals into that
kind of work with little or no chance at advance. That needs changing.
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