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Leon wrote:

Not everyone who ages matures.
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On 7/24/2012 1:26 PM, Bill wrote:

Did you mention age? And or don't think that an education makes "everyone" responsible.
After the schools and colleges finish holding their hands half still need to have their butts wiped by some on else.
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Leon wrote:

No, I agree. Some people "fight" the educational process tooth and nail.

Most of the ones that remain in the analytical sciences are probably in the other half.
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Leon wrote:

Unfortunately, not everyone who ages mentally matures. Some are really stubborn! ;)
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:43:18 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

Depends on your view of money. If she is happy with her life and career with low income as opposed to being a shrink with big bucks and sad life, she made the right choice.
My guess is that at some point she will trade helping people for a better life of her own if she gets tired of carrying that student debt.
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Take your choice, but just don't complain about student loan debt ten years after you graduate with a useless degree.
Education is a wonderful thing. The more the better. You do, however, have to be responsible in your choices. Going to college is good for many, but it is not always the best path. Some go because they would rather bee a student than worker, others because parents think they must go to keep up their status, etc.
That Master's Degree in 8th century Lithuanian art won't allow you to earn enough to pay the appliance repair guy making triple your wage.
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:44:11 -0400, "J. Clarke"

Some truth to that, but the engineer may at least be able to get a job at the Jiffy Lube while the art guy would not know which end of the mop to used if offered a janitor's job.
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On 7/23/2012 9:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

A little truth to that, you simply don't go for a vocation that is not necessary. My son is in a relative secure and growing industry, thank you Enron. He is a financial statement auditor of public companies.
I never ever understood, even during the 90's, how any one graduating from college thought that they earned the right to a good paying job just because they had a college diploma.
My son had his first good paying job offered to him 5 months before he got his bachelors degree, 20 months before getting his masters and he even passed all 4 of his CPA exams between the masters degree and going to work for that company.
There was no marketing at all unless demonstrating that you can work and go to school at the same time is considered marketing yourself.
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On 7/24/12 8:25 AM, Leon wrote:

Welcome to the Occupy Movement. Except now, they are covered in colorful tattoos, faces look like tackle boxes, dread-locked hair, guys are wearing kilts, can't take the slightest admonish without some sort of reward for motivation..... and they wonder why no one will hire them.
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On 7/24/2012 9:39 AM, -MIKE- wrote:

Well to be truthful, the first time I heard the comment of earning the right to a good job it came from my BIL, he is pushing 70 and never really had a decent paying job. This "right to a good job thinking" is not a new way of thinking.
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On 7/24/12 1:12 PM, Leon wrote:

No, not new. There have always been socialists. :-)
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Yes, actually it is. There's a direct correlation between the education level of society in general and the quality of that society.
What some are advocating here is the return to the Roman coliseum and the spectacle it provided. The all encompassing scythe like attitude of "Letting them sink or swim" is something that hopefully would change as society continues. It's just too broad an approach.
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But it has to be balanced education. You have to be able to contribute to society to make it better.
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Of course. I can't argue with that.
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Or colleges get leaner and start teaching again.
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snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Virtually all of my students are finding decent jobs. I'm not sure what you mean by "colleges getting leaner". What is it you would like to see less of? I think your views are biased by your experience where and when you went to school, a time and place which has surely changed.
Maybe you should distinguish between colleges and universities?
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I'd like to see your stats. What college? What degree?

If they have less to spend, they either get smaller of leaner. It's not a difficult concept.

Fancy buildings. Administration. That's for starters.

Nonsense.
Generally yes, though even junior colleges are administration-heavy, now. Public schools in general are administration-heavy.
OK, let's talk specifics. Where do you teach?
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On 7/23/2012 8:52 AM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Get rid of the NCAA, the totally subverted, abused, misused, newspeak concept of "student athlete" ... for starters.
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My neighbor's son was a principal (now an admin) when the school system started having money troubles. He unilaterally closed the school sports division, offering to maintain it if the athletes' parents covered the costs. The State immediately jumped in and told him it was unlawful to stop the sports program and to refer to his documentation from the state. Sure enough, it was there. They school would just have to dump a few -teachers- to be able to afford it, but sports stayed!
The country is being run by damned speaking weasels (attorneys, for those of you in Rio Linda) and Unions. It's going to shit. <sigh>
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