gfretwell wrote, on Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:48:58 -0400:
Truth be told, she has a friend whose husband fills her car for
her, at the gas station, all the time, and that has been going
on for years (probably their whole married lives).
She complained to me, at one point, a few years ago, that I
never fill her car for her. So, I took the car and filled it,
and she complained that I moved the seat and mirrors. So, I
took the car and filled it (at night) and she didn't like
the fact that I took her car.
Does it make sense? No.
Is it what she wants. Yep.
Add to the fact we live nowhere near a gas station, where the
nearest one is probably 15 miles away and it's not a cheapie,
and then add that we're retired, and the kids don't live with
us anymore - so we don't get out all that often anymore, and
that means we have to actually go to a gas station as a
Anyway, in the interest of marriage harmony, I came up with an
easy solution to the problem. I calculated that she uses about
five gallons a week, so, at first, I bought a handful of gas
cans to cover a month or so.
But they kept bouncing around in the trunk, causing smelly spills,
so, I hit upon the idea of ten fitting exactly in the trunk.
So, that's the reason for ten. That's 50 gallons. That lasts her
about ten weeks. Every Sunday, I throw a towel on the roof of
her car, pop open the 5-gallon can, stick a clean siphone hose
in, suck to the black line I've marked, and shove it into the
fuel filler inlet. I come back about five minutes later, and
empty the remainder into the car using a long stem funnel.
It's quick. Easy. Clean. And, best of all, her gas tank is
perpetually filled. Wouldn't *you* want your gas tank to always
Anyway, as for the cost, the gas cans, for what crap they are,
are horrendously expensive, about $25 each or so, with tax.
So, that's roughly about $250 in investment. Since I get gas at
Costco (where the discount on Amex is something like 3 cents on
the dollar, or about 12 cents on the gallon) or Safeway (where
the discount on cash with the club card is something like 10 to
30 cents on the gallon up to 25 gallons), let's figure that I
save, roughly 10 cents on a gallon over what she'd be paying
(since she just would go to the nearest gas station).
At 10 cents a gallon, and 50 gallons a fill, that's about
five dollars saved per fill. Problem is that $250/$5 is a
big number, so, I can never say that I'm doing it for the
money - but - longer term - after about 50 fills, the cans
have paid for themselves. Sort of.
The problem, of course, is that those stinkin' nozzles break
all the time. I've returned probably five or six while Blitz
was still in business, and now I've had to replace two more
after Blitz went bankrupt.
So, I'm really looking forward to spending another $2.50
or so per gas can to get rid of those idiotically designed
nozzles (which I never use anyway).
The nozzles are bad in every sense of the word:
- They take three hands to hold and press and pour;
- Your arms will fall off with the weight of 5 gallons anyway;
- The nozzles end up breaking all the time!
- Worst yet, they prevent the trunk from closing properly.
A bung-hole cap will solve *all* those problems, and, it would
still satisfy (I think) the EPA/CARB because their only goal
is to keep the gasoline *inside* the can, which it would do
think they're available at surplus stores, but maybe they don't have caps.
A 55-gallon bung should screw in fine, with the proper gasket. When
you're getting gas on the way home, take the can from the trunk, fill
it, screw in the bung, and put it in the trunk without much fear of leaking.
Some stations will shut off the pump if the can isn't red to meet DOT
requirements. Spray paint.
Dan Espen wrote, on Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:53:23 -0400:
Naaah. Her fuel tank is 18 gallons.
She uses about 5 gallons a week.
So, one fillup by me, lasts her about 10 weeks.
The thing to remember is that it is absolutely no bother
whatsoever to me to fill up the 50 gallons in my trunk.
For others, that might be a problem; but, for me, it's
not a problem in any way. Neither is the storage of the
gasoline as I have acres of land and nobody around to
be bothered by it.
I've checked with the Fire Marshall, who told me there
is no restriction on portable gas containers. I checked
with CHP who said there was only the 600 pound hazardous
chemical transportion limit, in addition to "approved
containers" being required. I checked with the planning
and zoning guys, who said that they'd recommend OSHA-compliant
sheds (louvers, spill pan, etc.) but that there were no
country storage requirements. I even checked with CARB,
who told me that tanks over a certain size had to have
a specific vent valve setup - but even the 50-gallon
drums were far below the size (I think it was 300 gallons
or something like that).
The funny thing about all these specs other than the CHP
spec was that the *number* of containers didn't matter.
That is, for the EPA, for example, if you had a dozen
299 gallon containers, you wouldn't be subject to the
vent cap recovery restrictions that a single 300 gallon
Such are government regulations ...
Pico Rico wrote, on Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:48:25 -0700:
Yeah, we know.
-> Blue is for water. -> White is for single lanes. -> Yellow is for double lanes. -> Red is for the wrong way.
The local ACE hardware only had blue, so, we bought blue.
We didn't really think anyone would be fooled by thinking there
was a hydrant nearby since the only hydrant is miles away down
They would probably have ripped up the white ones anyway, but,
what we're going to do is play 'what-a-mole' and put them back
up, only we haven't yet decided whether to use the white non-reflective
oval shaped ones, or the white reflective square ones.
The oval shape non reflective ones are a lot cheaper, and we need
to put in a few hundred, so, it matters because our budget determines
how many we put up.
I had spoken to the guys who ripped them up.
They said they got a work order, and that was it.
They didn't give any other reason.
They did say that they normally paint over crosswalks that people
paint in the road, and that this middle line thing was new to them.
Anyway, they suggested the white non-reflective ovals, and/or
the white reflective squares.
The homeowners have elected one person (not me thankfully) to deal
with the county to try to get a bunch of mirrors put up. I hate
dealing with the government, as it's easier to just do it ourselves.
So, next Sunday, we're gonna put them back (only white), and see
how long our whack-a-mole game goes on with the county.
Some decades ago, my family went on vacation to
California. We had the privilege of playing
Whackamole. I tried to "use the force". The
local kids had figured out the order of the
moles and were getting higher scores than I
Mom and Dad used to refer to the "whackamole
car" we drove, every time you repair some
thing, some thing else breaks.
Pico Rico wrote, on Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:02:22 -0700:
There aren't any hydrants within *miles* of these reflectors, so, while
I do understand that statement, it's unlikely anyone would think there
are hydrants nearby, especially since the hydrant is indicated by a
single reflector (or two, when on a curve) but never a huge line of
a few dozen of them.
Anyway, we're gonna play whack-a-mole with the county when we get
some white non-reflective dots, or the more expensive white reflective
ones. The game plan is next Sunday. So, if/when they go in, I'll snap
a photo for you guys (they look great at night since there is no
other source of light for miles around).
Stormin Mormon wrote, on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:55:38 -0400:
Yellow is for multiple-lane roads here in California.
White is the appropriate color for single-lane roads.
The problem is that the road is, technically, too narrow
for *any* centerline. That's what the line-painting crew
told me when I asked why they strip the very bottom half
mile but not the rest of the road.
So, by putting white, we'd be in keeping with one rule,
but in violation of the other. That's why we don't think
the county will put them in, but we did assign a neighbor
to ask them to put a mirror in.
However, some residents argued that the mirror would actually
make it more dangerous, as people would *assume* their is
no car, and they might miss a person walking or something.
So, we liked the idea of the *bumps* which keep tires to
one side of the narrow road.
Stormin Mormon wrote, on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 07:54:32 -0400:
Wanna know something that's a bit funny?
The guys who put in most of those reflectors ran out of
the brown construction glue that they had used. You can
see most of them have brown gunk on them.
However, in the picture, is one with *black* epoxy. I
put those in! The original guys ran out of their glue,
so I volunteered to put the next set in, and I used
those rolls of epoxy that you find in the box stores.
Heh heh ... I had to *ask* the county road crew whether
they found some were harder than others, and, guess what?
At least mine were the hardest for them to remove, and,
hence, the most damaged as you can see in those pictures.
All those reflectors are only about two months old, so,
they all were damaged by the road crew removal process.
heh heh ... see? I learned *something* from this eclectic
advisory a.h.r newsgroup!
On Mon, 15 Sep 2014 02:13:50 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
I ran into this myself. I put a trash can at a small beach on the
river and I was emptying it regularly. The state said, if it was on
their property, they were responsible but they did not have a budget
for this. They took the can and it is still outside the ranger
I put a PVC pipe in the river to mark my water sample site (state
sanctioned monitoring) and I had to argue that I was capable of
maintaining that too. Since I was already on the volunteer list for
the offshore side they relented because they had a way to deal with
You carry 50 gals of gasoline in a car trunk??
You're even dumber than I thought on so many levels.
1) dumb for carrying that much gas in a car trunk
2) dumber for thinking that people here would think that was a great idea.
You are not only dumb, but dangerous to those around you.
What an asshole.
Zaky Waky wrote, on Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:43:17 +0000:
Thanks. But, guess what?
You carry something like 18 gallons in your car too.
Every single day.
And, guess what?
We're both using approved containers, and, yes, of course,
they're approved for transportation.
Oh, and guess what else? Everyone (but you, apparently),
carries jugs of gasoline in their car, to get from the
gas station to home.
Lawn mowers. Chain saws. Hedge trimmers. Wood chippers.
I have 'em all, and so does everyone else on this ng.
Oh, and guess what else? Do you know how *dangerous* these
gasoline powered tools are?
Just look at the statistics.
Answer: Far more dangerous than transporting gasoline in
approved containers in legal amounts.
I would not call you an asshole, that's just completely uncalled for.
But trying to set up an equivalence between what you are doing and
the average car gas tank is wrong too.
Remember the Pinto and the exploding gas tank?
Gas tanks are designed for their purpose.
Since my tank is 11 GALS, I have an average of 5 gals on board.
But it's much more secure than a plastic can in the trunk.
Dan Espen wrote, on Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:19:00 -0400:
I was just responding to the asshole comment, and I was being
as nice as I could be, by explaining that life isn't without
danger, and, danger has to be put into perspective.
With 11 gallons to your tank, it's safe to assume that you
do not drive a Hummer. Why not? A Hummer is clearly safer
than whatever it is you drive (based on sheer weight in
a head-on collision, for example).
And, is it safe to assume that we all push lawnmowers which
have whirling blades? That's not safe.
Likewise, most of us fire up a chainsaw a few times a year.
Isn't that not safe?
How about the guys who ride motorcycles? Isn't that not even
close to safe?
Life was never about being a timid little rabbit, as, if it was,
I'd be scared out of my wits about the rattlers, black widow
spiders, bobcats, coyotes, and mountain lions that abound where
Truth be told, I'm more worried about the neighbor's dogs getting
loose and biting someone, than I am about the gasoline spontaneously
combusting in my trunk while transporting safely in legal containers
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