The police told the kids to stop selling cupcakes.
A councilman tattled on them.
oooo, big criminals.
Interesting points in the article about how the kids could never obtain
a permit because a two hour permit costs $175.00 and they would have to
have a million dollar insurance policy. That law had to be passed by
somebody, hummm, let's see could it be town board members like the jerk
who called the police? It would be interesting to find out how many of
those permits are issued.
In CT, the health authorities just stopped a chili fest that a fire
company was having to raise money. They said you can't sell food
without it being prepared in a licensend, inspected facility. That
would seem to apply to the above situation, bake sales, church dinners
to raise money, etc too. Interesting because there obviously are a
lot of these all over that don't get busted. Most likely because no
one busts them rather than that they are exempted from the law. I
don't recall any of them causing food poisoning though. That seems
to always come from one of the commercial, licensed places.....
On 11/20/2010 6:58 AM, email@example.com wrote:
Sure, when I think of food poisoning I think of the big box industrial
places who pay walmart wages not a volunteer organization where the
folks are putting their everything into making good food to help pay for
the stuff they need to help the community.
On 11/20/2010 6:58 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
2-3 times a month, one group or another of local Church Ladies has a
bake/knit goods sale in the lobby of the cafeteria of the federal
building I work in. Nobody cares. But several of the local rental
meeting halls had to padlock their kitchens (formerly an available
option on hall rentals) because they were set up with residential grade
appliances, plumbing, flooring, et all. PTB wanted them to upgrade to
commercial kitchen specs. But the kitchens attached to most of the local
church multipurpose rooms (I see them when they have their tag sales)
don't seem to be commercial spec either. Not sure what the criteria is-
in a town this small, whose ass you kiss is probably part of it.
I always wondered what the people who run the building I work in would
do if some non-mainstream church, like the Moonies, or the fellows in
the orange outfits, wanted to have a bake sale.
I think it would be pretty hard to give anybody more than a case of the
trots with any baked goods. Now someplace selling dishes with meat or
uncooked egg products, I might be a little more leery of. As much as I
love the food in bars (they always seem to have the best burgers), you
never want to look in a bar kitchen. I've never seen one that wasn't
tiny and very scary.
You wouldn't think that peanut butter could kill someone, but lace it with
salmonella and voila!
The health codes are generally responses (too late) to serious food
poisoning events. I used to live across the street from a food truck vendor
and based on what I saw, I am glad inspectors are out there doing their
work. Spending two years in the restaurant industry and watching Kitchen
Nightmares further convinced me that you can't inspect some places often
enough. My friend's mother was health inspector and she never ate in any of
the town's Chinese restaurants, citing inspection horror stories like the
guy who pressed his ducks between two sheets of plywood with his Cadillac or
the "That's NOT chicken, it's pigeon." In China they raised their own ducks
and chickens and now, the only birds it is legal to raise in city limits
are - you guessed it - pigeons! It's not that they are evil, they are just
adapting to our culture.
I now tend to gravitate to places like Quizno's and others where you can see
the food being prepared. I suspect that as county governments slash their
spending, we're going to see a lot more food poisoning cases because
inspections are among the first thing to get cut back.
Food safety's been in the news lately. The Republicans and Democrats that
live in food producing states voted against even discussing a bill to expand
the FDA's reach in the waked of recent nation-wide food poisoning events.
WASHINGTON - The Senate voted 74 to 25 on Wednesday to consider a bill to
improve the food safety system. One Democrat, Senator Ben Nelson of
Nebraska, joined Republicans in opposition to debating the measure.
While I believe the Feds are the number one strangler of small businesses, I
do believe that I want someone looking over the shoulder of Big Agra and Big
Meat to make sure they don't kill me or my family. I wouldn't want to live
in an inspection free "honor system" country, although I am sure to some
extent I do. The relationship between corporations and consumers has to be
mediated, just like any other sports contest. (-: I fear the FDA can kill a
company with a meritless recall and that there's no mechanism that can
prevent that from happening if there's really a serious public health threat
and they're *almost* sure they know the cause.
Veteran short order cook, Roy Rogers burgermeister, IHOP dishwasher, ad
A similar thing happened in Houston a few years ago when a group
representing a chili-cookoff contest complained that the city health
inspector was burdening them with absurd regulations.
"Like what?" asked one councilman.
"Well, he insists that all the cooking be done in a tent," replied the chili
"We require a covered cooking area," volunteered the city health inspector.
"One reason is to keep insects from dropping into the food."
"That just shows he don't know nothin' 'bout chili," interjected the
cook-off connoisseur, we PUT insects in the chili! Ain't nothin' like a few
fire ants to add a little flavor..."
"I give up. Cook whatever you want," said the health inspector as he left
the hearing room.
And remember many, many regulations are there because some business
wanted to protect itself from competition so they "paid" some
politicians to make some rules. OTOH some of those rules do protect the
public from various things. There is NO easy answer.
The kids were running a "for profit" business on town property. Everyone
feels sorry for the poor kids, but how would they feel if Dunkin Donuts
opened a mobile stand there? In the eyes of the law, there is no
difference. This was not a fund raiser, it was money for their pockets.
Now they learned what real businesses have to do.
Exactly, let everyone know the hoops the government makes folks who
operate businesses jump through. A friend opened a new location and he
still doesn't have the certificate of occupancy after two months because
all of the inspections are done according to when the government
employees get around to it and then they discover extremely dangerous
conditions such as signs thet were mounted 1/4" lower than specified
which require another inspection and then another.
Back in the late 70's up through 1988 I operated a scuba shop. We
rented a commercial space in a strip mall and went to work putting up
partitions so make the space suitable for our purpose. We tried to do
thing right and had the building inspectors come around like we were
supposed to do. Right off, the building inspector didn't like the fact
that we used ordinary 2 X 4s for the base plate of our interior walls;
he wanted pressure treated lumber since it lay on top of a concrete pad.
Well, he came up with an alternative since the walls were already up...
let us have the base plate sprayed with insecticide thoughtfully
provided by his brother (or brother in law, I can't remember) for a not
Well, we did everything all those inspectors asked of us but then they
dragged their feet in issuing a certificate of occupancy. No problem:
we opened anyway. Just ignored them. The base plates never rotted; in
fact we never had any structural issues. I occupied that spot for 9
years without a certificate of occupancy. Oops.
After that I learned if I had small jobs not likely to attract attention
to stay the hell away from the building inspection department. I just
hired guys who knew what they were doing.
My old friend went to NYC after college. He and another guy he worked
with started a new business. This was in the 1980s at the peak of
liberal control of NYC in that century before people had enough and
hired Giuliani. As part of their process they had one each oxygen and
acetylene tanks. In order to have them someone had to get a license from
the fire department. Since my buddy was the junior partner he got the
job which consisted of reading a small list of requirements and taking a
test at the fire house. My buddy takes the test and he is told he passed
but he needed to pay (in green) to get the license.
Another friend is VP of marketing for a large electronics company. He
said it would cost them $10,000 in bribe money when they exhibited at
shows in the Javitts center. After Giuliani was elected there were
signs taped up all over the place at the Javitts center that said "if
someone demands payment or a bribe call this number..."
Darn those pesky Republicans, they get into power and screw up all the
traditional ways of doing business costing little dictators millions of
dollars in graft and corruption. It's a real shame when lower level
bureaucrats can't buy that new Jaguar or add a swimming pool to their
summer home. 8-)
We expect Democrats to lie, cheat and steal. That's why so much fuss is
made when a Republican is caught up in some scandal. If there is no
crime going on by Republicans, the Liberal Left will fabricate some. No
I'm not a Republican, Republicans disgust me but Democrats are special,
they horrify me. Here in Alabamastan, Republicans have taken control of
the state government for the first time in 136 years. People woke up and
decided enough is enough. The feds are actually prosecuting a whole
gaggle of Democrat politicians here for various and sundry crimes, most
of them have to do with bribery. Voter fraud is SOP for Democrats in my
state, we have lots of dead people voting just like in Chicago. It's
amazing to me how Democrats can vote from beyond the grave, that's real
dedication to one's political party. Every time Republicans broach the
subject of simple voter ID to combat vote fraud at the polls, Democrats
squeal like hungry piglets. Democrats have actually proposed giving the
right to vote to the inmates of the state prisons. I wonder why, are
Democrats that desperate to gain votes for their crime,.. I mean cause?
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