Solar Industry Anxious Over Defective Panels

Most of the concerns over quality center on China, home to the majority of the world’s solar panel manufacturing capacity.
After incurring billions of dollars in debt to accelerate production that h as sent solar panel prices plunging since 2009, Chinese solar companies are under extreme pressure to cut costs.
Chinese banks in March, for instance, forced Suntech into bankruptcy. Until 2012, the company had been the world’s biggest solar manufacturer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers- dark-side.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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On May 31, 12:25 pm, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

re under extreme pressure to cut costs.

Gee, I wonder how that affects the payback period of these systems that are already economically unfeasible?
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In article

should shorten the payback as the bankrupt stock is sold at discounted prices...ain't that the way capitalism works
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On May 31, 2:56 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-

Can't you get anything right? Some panels sold as part of a bankruptcy isn't the problem. It's the apparently high failure rate of panels being built and sold by manufacturers that are still in business. The only way to try to make what has been obviously economically unviable all along, is to make it even cheaper. And with it goes the quality. So, now it makes even less sense. But the bankruptcy aspect you bring up is a good point. Good luck getting warranties honored when the panel craps out in 5 years.
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“But the bankruptcy aspect you bring up is a good point. Good luck getting warranties honored when the panel craps out in 5 years. ”
The companies that make the panels may not need to go into bankruptcy to ne gate them from honoring their warranties since- quoting from the article:
“And when defects are discovered, confidentiality agreements often keep t he manufacturer’s identity secret, making accountability in the industry all the more difficult.”
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

that's what lawyers are for
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snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Can someone explain why the hell these super cheap solar panels aren't showing up in places like Harbor Freight?
I bet there are many do-it-yourself people that would love to get their hands on some large solar panels that can put out some serious juice.
Doesn't make sense that they're not showing up in retail channels that are already well connected to mainland China.
Just look how over-production of flat-panel LCD screens has led to a surplus of TV's showing up in all sorts of retail stores, under labels you've never heard of before, at prices that continue to drop like a rock. Why isin't the same thing happening with these solar panels?
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On Friday, May 31, 2013 8:07:06 PM UTC-7, Home Guy wrote:

Or EMT benders or key duplicating machines etc. I would like to know the answer to that question myself.
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Who says it's not happening? I see where you can buy a 6KW DIY system online for under $10K. An installed one just a few years ago cost 10X that. No one said they are going to be free, just that the price for the panels has dropped significantly. And apparently so has the quality. Funny thing. We didn't see that happen with your TV example.
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On Fri, 31 May 2013 09:25:04 -0700 (PDT), snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/29/business/energy-environment/solar-powers-dark-side.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 The article starts out saying this: "The solar panels covering a vast warehouse roof in the sun-soaked Inland Empire region east of Los Angeles were only two years into their expected 25-year life span when they began to fail."
Then the China bashing begins.
30 paragraphs later (many readers wouldn't make it this far) it admits this: "The defective panels installed on the Los Angeles area warehouse,.... were made by an American manufacturer. A reporter was granted access to the project on the condition that the parties’ identities not be disclosed because of a confidential legal settlement."
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Oh, please. Those panels at the warehouse were one small part of a much larger story. The story had plenty of evidence that the problem does in fact also exist with Chinese manufacturers, who have a majority of the solar panel market. That is not China bashing. Nor is it China bashing to know that a whole lot of stuff that comes from there is cheap, poorly made, doesn't last, etc.
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On Saturday, June 1, 2013 6:44:00 AM UTC-7, Kuskokwim wrote:

When companies are so secretive I start to wonder what percentage of their product is actually made in the U.S.
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People buy cheap shit from China Harbor Freight then later wonder why it didn't last very long. Well duh!
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On Saturday, June 1, 2013 7:38:26 AM UTC-7, Duh! wrote:

You need to know what to buy and what not to buy. For example: Don’t buy anything that you can’t repair and modify. Don’t buy anything where its functionality depends on good quality harden ed metal. Do buy disposable or items that you can visually verify its claim or validi ty. Do buy items that you can’t get a better quality elsewhere.
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