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Actually that coincides what I learned in one of my Criminology classes. It was very important for early immigrants to have someone to "bat" for them in the many dealings they would have with local government. Tammany Hall offered one avenue and despite all its negatives, got people jobs, out of jail, found them homes, got streetlights installed, etc. A vote was worth something and politicians were willing to act on behalf of the voters because corporate America had not yet begun appearing with dump truck loads of campaign cash.
I hate to say it but in the 20's through the 50's the Mafia took over a lot of the functions that had been performed under the old patronage system and then they unfortunately got entwined with many of the unions as a way to gain and project power and extort money from business to pay bribes on behalf of people unfortunate enough to be in business with them.
What surprises me is that people of foreign ancestry, like Italians, can complete forget their time in the immigrant "box" and beat down on the next wave of immigration. My Italian uncle Salvatore was told after graduating in the late thirties with an AeroE degree: "Try South American if you want to get an engineering job with such an Italian-sounding name.
Well, I think you've found at least one demarcation line when things really started to change in American politics. It was also at the same time corporations were getting more and more "people rights" so it would be difficult to truly tease out which force changed things more, not at least without a lot more analysis.
No matter what the driving force was, the vote saw a real depersonalization and devaluation. When I had a problem, my elected officials performed a great service. I moved out of DC because its residents don't get representation. Even though it doesn't mean what it did in the 1900's, have a Congressman or Senator to intercede for me in some potential government problem is worth enough to move.
I've read that we are being nibbled to death by the interests of 1,000 of special interest groups that can raise a ruckus so out of proportion to their actual voting strength that government can't make any hard choices anymore unless the sky is not just falling, but someone's already been squashed. Look at SSA. Everyone knows what it's going to take. Barney Frank said it best. "Everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die." As the boomers age, SSA will become a more and more sacred cow. Means testing could buy us years and years of coverage, but what politician is willing to commit political suicide to get it done?
We might still be OK if we accounted for every *real* vote as carefully as Las Vegas casinos track their chips. Electronic ballots with no paper trail is like building six reactors on the ocean in a quake and tsunami zone. It's asking for trouble. I am glad to see some jurisdictions realizing that fact. I recently saw a film that claimed college kids cloned what turned out to be the Diebold "master" ballot box key from a close up photo Diebold had on their site. Whether it's true or not, from all I've read there's reason to worry about us facing a seriously stolen election in the not-to-distant future and being well into a Presidential term before it's discovered. At least 20 posters from both parties will assure us that's already happened. (-: Is it like when a cop's found out to be working for drug dealers and all his arrests face being voided? What do you do if you find President Palin's well-meaning campaign workers created or changed votes that brought her in as the winner in 2012, but it's not discovered until 2015? Do over? Asterisk in the history books? Does the loser finish out her term?
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was sorta right of passage from being the last group.

Can you put a date or time frame on that corporate thing? I have done some research on that and I am interested if your perception of the timing is close to when it started popping up. Just curious, if you don't mind.

badly timed blue screen of death. The other considerations are important, but this one alone would seem to argue for a paper trail.

electors meet and vote, the Pres is the Pres. Period. The only option (and in the final analysis this is a political decision) would be impeachment. A person could resign, but I don't think that would be too likely.
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It's American greed,the "American dream" and aquisitvness. Also Canadians have the Queen. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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The Daring Dufas wrote:

Last number I heard was $7.5M, which was high by a factor of about 20. Maybe if you stopped listening to loonies....

Modern conservative apparently means someone who will believe anything.
Like Glen Beck.
Like Clinton people trashed the White House for incoming Bush administration.
Like Obama is a muslim.
Like death panels.
Like $16M cleanup.
Like recent Obama trip cost $100M per day (Michelle Bachman).
Or recent Bachman congratulating people in New Hampshire that "you're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord."
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(especially doing scut work like sending Bday Cards to those over 70, etc.) are largely made up of younger people with limited adult supervision. Think Animal House in ties. So, there are certain places in any White House populated by people who would think switch keyboard keys around would be uproariously funny.

everything. Besides rationing is what economic systems do by definition.

big deal.
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Kurt Ullman wrote:

What was alleged was not pranks. It was rather widely reported to be very expensive vandalism. It was a lie. Lots of people believed it.
Just like the reported damage in Madison - hard to believe by krw. That is because it should not have been believed by krw (and dufas).

The death panel stuff was way beyond that.
It was based on a provision for counseling where someone could discuss with a doctor what the patient wanted for treatment - such as maintain maximum care if brain dead. Some people seem to not want to be kept alive if they are a vegetable. A "health directive" would make clear what the patient wanted. Medical staff could make clear what kind of choices might come up. The patient made the decisions.
There were no death panels.
Thanks to the idiocy of Palin and others, like tea-party robots at home congressional meetings, the provision was removed. Much better that vegetables be kept alive with machines.

I agree it was routine.
But not for idiot Bachman. How many people believed her? She got her cost information on the internet - it must have been right. Hard to imagine what you would have to do to cost $100M per day.
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On 3/15/2011 12:42 PM, bud-- wrote:

I do believe there is something called "A Living Will" that would convey the wish of a patient that no extraordinary measures be used to keep them alive.

Funny thing, I saw $200 million cost per day at one source. I suppose if The Congressional Budget Office produced a number, you wouldn't believe them either? There are so many hidden costs associated with protecting our President, that I doubt anyone could produce an accurate accounting.
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The Daring Dufas wrote:

With minimal thinking ability you could figure out that what Palin (and other idiots) called "death panels" was optional counseling by medical staff to help people create their own "Living Will". The medical staff would be *paid*. The decisions, if any, are made by the people. That is all there was in the health proposal that Palin called "death panels". It was a lie. It was spread by many of the right wing darlings. Many (most?) gullible tea-party types believed it. Are you one of them?
Look it up at FactCheck. Or PolitiFact - it was the "lie of the year".
So now people can try to guess what might happen to them for what they put in their Living Will. Guessing in medical areas is such a good idea.

Read what Kurt wrote.
What number did the CBO produce - you conveniently don't say.
You are gullible enough to believe anything idiots like Bachman say.
Hey - I'll sell you a deed to a famous historical bridge - cheap. Absolutely legal.
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On 3/16/2011 11:25 AM, bud-- wrote:

With minimal reading comprehension you assume I'm a member of The Tea Party. You obviously failed to grok everything I wrote especially since I don't believe anything said by any politician particularly Democrat politicians. BeeHO worshipers take anything said by their messiah as the Gospel truth. Are you one of them?

My roommate's mom had A Living Will and his family had to fight the medical staff who wished to ignore the DNR instructions.

There goes your lack of reading comprehension again. Liberal Commiecrats not only suffer from selective hearing but it's obvious your type is also afflicted with selective reading. Go back and try to understand what the word "if" means. I'm sure a third grader, even one from a government school could explain to you what the word "if" means. Most of the citizenry can't comprehend a million dollars much less one or two hundred million so I can't really fault you for that.

You call me gullible when you have no reading comprehension and you actually believe you could sell the deed to The Brooklyn Bridge? Geez! What a moron you are, how do walk around without getting hurt by tripping over or bumping into everything?
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Was the family united? My experience is that much of the time Living Wills are ignored by the Docs it is because one or more members of the family are arguing against it. Currently, the risk management equation favors the argumentative (and thus looked at as more likely to sue) family member over the wishes of the most likely unconscious and thus silent patient. Assuming of course that you haven't run into a God-like doc who KNOWS he can save this patient. That is a whole other Kettle of Fish. (g
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On 3/16/2011 1:19 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

No, his mother was a saint, she was that sort of great mom and she made it clear to everyone that if she went down hill to the point where she wasn't self aware, they were not to hook her up to all sorts of machines to keep her heart beating if there was no one home upstairs. His dad is a minister and he was adamant about honoring her wishes. His dad is a cool old guy who was a paratrooper during The Invasion of Normandy, he has a Purple Heart, Bronze Star and Silver Star. His parents are from that WWII generation like mine.
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The Daring Dufas wrote:

Didn't say that at all.. You have some of the same gullibility problems, so I asked.

Which is irrelevant.
You said you didn't know what "death panels" were. Have figured it out?
Have you figured out that they were a lie?
Do you remember that tea-party types were screaming (literally) about "death panels" at town hall meetings?
Have you figured out "death panels" was actually optional help for making a Living Will?

Name calling is so useful..... Name calling is a favorite of people with nothing to say.

Sorry - I mistakenly thought you were saying something relevant. Like a reliable source for $200M. If you don't believe it maybe you shouldn't quote it. Don't have to be real smart to figure out $100M/day is insane. But then Bachman isn't real smart. You can't figure it out?
Or maybe a reliable source that says Wisconsin cleanup cost $16M.

You seem to believe about anything.
Like $16M in Wisconsin?
$200M for India? It doesn't immediately fail the smell test?
You thought "death panels" had some reasonable meaning?
Wanna buy the deed to a bridge?
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On 3/17/2011 1:42 PM, bud-- wrote:

Sorry, I really have no more time to waste on the grok impaired, besides, there is a very nice man from Nigeria who is going to send 14.8 million dollars to me if I help him move the money out of his country. ^_^
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What actually disgraced our race was the fact the moron was re-elected.
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Is it possible to even try to be more clueless?
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