I need to do some interior touch up interior painting and I want to
get a good result . Lowes and Home Depot are a lot more convenient
thatn the nearest Duron or Sherwin Willians Paint store . Can HD or
Lowes do a good job with their " computerized " matching systems
Can they yes, will you get it done right ? If you get the right
person. Always dry out a large say 5x5 sample , not the 1/4 inch they
will want to show you. But thats why real paint stores are better, a
pro has an eye for adjustments.
Well Truitt you don know much about Paint , Painting , the Paint
business, Paint stores, or the volume of Paint Sherwin Williams does
, or what kind of people they hire or how they promote personel. I
have purchased over 300,000 $ in Paint . So I have a qualified
opinion on Paint.
Box stores are not where you get the best of everything.
This is true to a degree, but it's like saying that there hasn't been an
independent paint store that hasn't hired the clueless. But you're right
-- box stores aren't even where you get the least expensive of
everything. It's usually where you get the *cheapest* of just about
everything, but "cheap" and "inexpensive" are two different matters
entirely. Eh, screw it all; no matter -- this forum seems to be popular
with more misers than should be allowed to exist ;)
BUT -- it's not completely unheard of to find guys who do in fact know a
world about paint and mixing and matching working at the big boxes.
Everyone's got to work somewhere, right? Big boxes do in fact employ
people with the silly notion that if you do things right in the first
place with a product that doesn't suck, customers will keep coming back
looking to them for intelligent service.
All in all, IMO if you do a little research and asking around, you might
get a starting-point idea of what makes for a good paint guy or not, no
matter where he's working.
firstname.lastname@example.org (m Ransley) wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:20:12 -0600 (CST), email@example.com (m
Ransley, I'm not trying to suggest the box store don't suck.
I hate them.
As for my qualifications I've been in the industry for 30 years.
Last 25 as a paperhanger, prior to that I had 5 years in painting &
drywall....started out working in a paint store.
I buy my supplies from a paint store where they know & respect me.
From people I know & respect.
I've seen the turnover cause most of them pay so little.
I hate going into a store I don't know.
Usually I'll end up with a kid behind the counter that doesn't know
Just as I was thirty plus years ago.
Training? HA! I never learned anything about paint till I got in the
field. MOST of these guys in the paint store know only what they've
Recently I needed some whiting.
I went to home Depot, Sherwin williams, & another local paint store.
At the Sherwin Williams store I talked to the manager
Three of them! NONE OF THE THREE HAD EVER EVEN HEARD OF IT!
You are right, Truitt , I guess ive been lucky dealing with a few guys,
and even then when I started they would try to pull a " Lazy " , not
match it and show you a little half inch smear so you really couldnt
tell, Color matching takes alot of experiance , its an art.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:39:57 GMT, Truitt Bottsford III
I have two local paint stores who have excellent, full time employees
who seem to have been there forever. I've been a customer for over
seven years, and the same folks have been there all along.
Do they apply paint full time? No. Do they mix and sell paint full
time? Heck yeah! That makes them "pros" in any book I've checked.
<< Always dry out a large say 5x5 sample , not the 1/4 inch they
will want to show you. >><BR><BR>
Yes, I got a "perfect" match from HD for a yellow wall that wasn't. I used
most of it in the washer/dryer niche where it was intended, which is separated
from the wall by a beige hall, so it looks OK, but on the wall from which I
took the sample it looks much darker and muddier.
The best luck I had was with an independent paint store (after having a
disaster with the Home Depot match). They insisted that it was more than
"mix while you wait". I had to drop off the sample (in this case a
laminated drawer of the cabinets we wanted matched) and leave it for at
least a day. They apparently took the computer analysis and then tweaked it
to get a better mix. They also had better quality paint than the &^%$#! at
Home depot, but it was more expensive
My house was painted with Duron paint. Would never use it again so I
would not bother with their paint matching service. Outside mildew
lovers it, inside semi gloss whites yellow after a couple of years
even without sunlight on it.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:30:12 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I found that it all depends on the person at the paint department.
Some have good experience, others none at all. A paint store will
match up your paint color in a more predicable manner--well worth a
few extra bucks.
All the HD-bashing on this newsgroup notwithstanding, I've had good luck
with HD paint matching, altho it helped that I had the name and number of
the original Benjamin Moore color I was trying to match. HD has an extensive
paint color database, with formulas, of competitor brands. Once they mixed
to the Moore formula, I had them dab, and blow dry, some of the HD paint on
the BJ paint chip sample I brought in, just to confirm. This approach worked
for us - and we have not tried the computer match. That may be more iffy
result, as dried and aged paint, depending on whether it is acrylic or
alkyd, could frustrate the effort to match with a new HD paint, which itself
darkens at unknown rates, with time.
They all use good equipment to read the sample The skill of the mixer makes
a difference. Sort of a crap shoot at any store if you don't know who is
doing the work.
I use an independent paint dealer and get excellent results, good prices,
and good service, If you find one, stick with him.
Computer reads the sample, computer determines the mix, computer dispenses
the pigment. The only thing the employee does is put the can in the
shaker. Where's the skill? (At least, that's the way it was done last time
I had a paint colour matched a month ago).
The computer just spits out the formula to start with. (it's close but
not a 100% match.) At that point a good paint store will tweak the
formula until it's perfect. Sherwinn Williams will even create a
custom color code for you and store it on their computer system in
case you even need more!!
Home Crapo will likely just tell you that's close enough becasue
that's what the computer says. They also carry crappy quality paint
and the tinting machine has probably never been calibrated.
You definately get what you pay for when it comes to paint.
Well I took a sample to Home Depot to match and the guy did his little
computer thing, mixed the paint and tested it on a sample. It was
sighly off, HE recognized it immediately and said "wait, that's not
right!". He then added a dab of some kind of tint, mixed it, and it
came out perfect. I was impressed (this was a young kid), and asked
him how long it took to learn to do this, to which he replied "oh it
took me a couple of weeks to get the hang of it, but now I can match
any paint sample you can give me." He also printed out the mixture on
a label attached to the can in case I ever needed more.
The paint was for extensive touch up, as I was selling the house and
didn't want to get into a complete repaint job (thirty foot ceilings).
I used it and you can't tell where it was touched up.
Seeing is believing. Selling paint is not rocket science. These
people with many years of experience actually have a years experience
repeated many times over. Give me a "big box" store anytime rather
than pay the inflated prices of the small stores like Sherwin
On 22 Dec 2003 14:27:11 -0800, email@example.com (davefr)
On 22-Dec-2003, firstname.lastname@example.org (davefr) wrote:
How do they determine that it's perfect?
I watched the HD employee do it - they did nothing but put the chip
in the sampler and the pigmented paint can in the mixer. I painted
and couldn't see any difference. This in a room with bright sunlight.
There are questionable brands at HD, but there are some good ones as
I realize that it's fashionable to dump on HD and others, but there
are _few_ paint stores that are better. I live in a city of several
million and there is _one_ paint store with an excellent reputation.
Meanwhile, HD sells paint to me without me travelling halfway across
town, struggling to find parking and paying a higher price. YMMV
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