I've already checked the websites and the store shelves. I've yet to
find a water-base primer from any company that's explicitly rated for
horizontal wood surfaces exposed to weather and foot traffic. You
seemed knowledgeable; thought maybe there was some street wisdom that
one of their products could be successfully used in that type of
application, even though the labelling didn't explicitly indicate such.
Zinsser owns Wolman. Wolman makes a product called "Woodlife Classic".
Ever heard of it?
I've heard of Wolman but am not familiar with any specific products.
I gether that you are intent on using a latex product for your
application. If you would consider another type, I would recommend a
good quality, exterior rated oil-based poly floor paint. Over bare
wood many of these products recommend priming by simply using a
slightly thinned coat of the same porduct. I have had good results and
long wear from these on outdoor porches over the years.
Although, I recently heard that many such items are being taken off
the market in my area for environmental reasons. Does that have
anything to do with your need to use a latex floor paint?
Every complicated problem has a simple solution that doesn\'t work.
No. The reason for preferring latex has to do with the particular
application requirements. In my experience, oil-base products are
VERY sensitive to moisture in the wood. With the exception of July
and maybe August, it's difficult to find enough warm dry days in a row
to make sure the wood is absolutely bone dry. Latex is far more
forgiving with regard to slight moisture in the wood.
You can pay $30/gal for worthless paint too. So just because you pay a
lot doesn't mean you're getting good quality.
And, there are some excellent quality paints available for a lot less
than the name brands that have high mark-ups and profit margins.
I've use Lowes Valspar Severe Weather paint on a couple of places with
irregulsr t111 siding. One was a vary dark color going over. Excellent one
coaat coverage and bonding. I wouldn't use "better" paint if it were on
sale for less for that application. It ain't broke so I an't fixin' it.
$75 for 5 gal. You can get good paint at a low price if you hit one right.
But $15 Walmart paint is $15 Walmart paint.
Why, just because?
With their massive purchasing power WalMart has huge clout. No other
company is in a better position to sell quality paint inexpensively.
That doesn't mean everything at WalMart is a quality product - far from
it. But conversely, just because something is sold at WalMart doesn't
mean it is an inferior product.
Check out the July 06 issue of Consumer Reports. McCloskey Multi-Use
is highly rated. McCloskey's "Multi-Use" line is (or was) marketed
exclusively by WalMart. It sells for about $13/gal.
I tried some of the Color Place exterior white slightly tinted on not too
picky trim. The trim was white to start with. It took two coats to get a
decent cover. It was just try it, what the hell. I knew better.
So, "$15 Walmart paint", Color Place line.
As I said, "That doesn't mean everything at WalMart is a quality
product - far from it"
I bought 2 gallons of ColorPlace exterior satin off-white latex 4 years
ago at WalMart and did my wrap-around porch railings and posts. One
coat did the job; still looks great. I understand that recently the
manufacturer of the ColorPlace line was changed. So, if your
experience is typical, the paint is no longer very good quality.
So, you've got to shop around and get up-to-date infomation from people
who know the score. Paying $30 for a gallon of paint doesn't
guarantee you're getting good paint; paying $15 for a gallon doesn't
guarantee you're getting junk paint.
The old addage "you get what you pay for" is true more often than not,
but not always.
Well, because it's $15, yes. It doesn't matter that Walmart might or might
not have a reputation for cheapness. And it doesn't matter that they have
buying power. Maybe it's $18 paint, but that is still pretty cheap paint.
At least once you're used to using top-grade paint of around $25 or more.
Once you've painted with one-coat low-splatter paint, you will never want to
go back. You can buy 2 gallons of $15 paint and then paint your bedroom
twice. I will buy 1 gallon of $28 paint and paint my bedroom once, thank
you very much.
Paying $28 for a gallon of paint doesn't guarantee that you're getting
Paying $15 for a gallon of paint doesn't guarantee that you're getting
You have know what you're buying.
How much do you think it costs the manufacturer to make a gallon of
good quality latex paint? What percentage of the price you pay do you
think is the actual cost of making the paint?
How do you know this? Do you have data on the manufacturer's cost for
binder, pigments, and fillers? Where did you get the data?
You can walk into the big-box stores and buy 100% acrylic (with the
exact same CAS number as the $30 paint) for under $15. It's too bad
they're not required by law to list percentages in addition to CAS
numbers. It would make comparison shopping a whole lot less mysterious
I must have two dozen different paints and primers in my basement.
Some of the very inexpensive ones are quite good.
How much do you think it actually costs to manufacture a gallon of
Not all sub-$15 is junk. WalMart carries (or used to) McCloskey
Multi-Use for less than $15/gal which was highly rated in the July 06
Consumer Reports. I used it four years ago to paint a horizontal
surface exposed to sun, rain, ice, and snow. It's holding up well.
Lowes has a new premium exterior paint and they often have a $5 rebate per
gallon to bring it down to $25. I don't know how long it will last because
it is new. I have not had good experience with Behr interior paint. It was
OK but nothing great and drippy. That was to years ago so maybe they have
changed it. I tried Lowes American Traditions interior paint and thought it
was excellent in comparison. I have heard a lot of good things about Sherwin
Williams premium exterior paint. IMHO exterior paint is the last place to
skimp unless you are flipping a house and could care less how long it looks
good. I shiver when I see those house flipping shows at what the new owner
is going to experience a few years down the line.
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