On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 18:22:50 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
If the hardware is similar enough that the drivers are easy to fix,
you can just plug the drive in and boot from it on an XP system. MS
has pretty much given up on all of that "your hardware changed" stuff.
You just log on and it says "OK".
I just did it the other day on one of my HP/Compaq systems that took a
crap. I had another similar vintage HP and it sailed right through.
On 8/1/2016 1:16 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Spitballing here. . .
Disconnect the power and data cables from the hard drive. Try a start
and you should, if it's the drive, see "No Boot Device" or somesuch.
Get into the BIOS and change the boot order to CD-ROM as #1 and reboot
with your Windows XP drive in the CD-ROM/DVD and see what happens.
If you get it up and running that way, your hard drive may NOT be fried,
but the MBR on the drive (Master Boot Record) is fried.
Had a similar situation earlier this year. Good, functioning box with
XP Pro running without any issues. Suddenly one day it would not boot.
Okay, shit happens and I just happened to have the identical model
computer sitting on a storage shelf, sans drive. Lemme just put this
hard drive from the machine that crapped out in the spare computer and
I'll be up and running. Nope, same symptoms with the "spare" computer
and that drive as what you're telling us. Funniest thing was, I could
plant that hard drive in an external drive case and access it and pull
files, etc. off it without any problem, but it WOULD NOT BOOT until I
reformatted it and reinstalled Windows. Go figure.
Flip side: If you happen to have another working drive laying around
with XP on it, swap out the drives and see what happens. If it boots up
you'll have a bunch of whining and crying since you don't have the
appropriate (at least not all of them) drivers but you should see it
come up. If it does, then you have MBR (or other) problems with the
other hard drive.
On 08/01/2016 12:16 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
You have to jumper 15 and 16 or nothing will happen and then test the
various pins on the connectors.
Like it says, make sure the whole basket of snakes is unplugged. I had
one box that wouldn't boot because a faulty floppy drive was pulling the
supply down. That was an easy fix -- who needs a floppy?
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:12:25 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
You can test the PS without a load by unplugging all of the low
voltage cables, jumper the green wire in the big plug to any black one
and it will power up. That does not eliminate everything but it is a
starting point. The system board may be detecting something wrong with
the voltages and shutting it down too. Some supplies want some kind of
load like a 100 ohm resistor on the 5v but most ATX and newer supplies
work fine unloaded.
motherboard (or video card) followed by power supply., with the hard
drive well down the list. The power supply powered up. It then shut
down - likely from too high a startup current on the motherboard, due
to shorted capacitors. VERY common problem. Been in the computer
service business for 26 years now. Seen WAY too many of them behave
that way. Usually start out being very slow to boot - then just die.
Sometimes show no problems until total failure - and "occaisionally"
will actually reboot after 10 or more retries - but run very slowly
and possibly lock up or quit after a few minutes.
Thanks Clare and everyone for the help.
After ignoring it for a week or so - this computer has,
mysteriously, started working again.
I was about to do some more trouble-shooting.
I'll buy a couple thumb drives and back-up some stuff and see what
happens. Backing-up old emails will be " a first " for me ..
so they can be accessed on a newer computer .. with a different
email program ...
First thing after I'd try after making your backups is checking the
power cord and making sure it's snugly plugged in at both ends. You
could also try a new power cord.
Then I would recommend that you open the case and vacuum inside or use
one of those cans of compressed "air" to blow the dust out. (If you blow
the dust out, you might want to do that outside since it makes a real
Then take some pictures of the inside so you can see how everything was
arranged and where stuff was plugged in - just in case.
Next you can unplug cables and plug them in again. Also look for damaged
cables. Sometimes if they're not routed right they can get sucked into a
fan and damaged, or caught between the case and cover, etc.
What I'm getting at is that it sounds like it could be a bad connection,
and unplugging everything and plugging it back in (including any cards
like a video or sound card, etc.) will often clean things up enough so
everything will work again.
As for your e-mails, a straight backup may not let you restore to a
different e-mail program. You may have to export them to a common format
first and then import then to the new program. It really depends upon
the e-mail program you use and the one you want to move to.
firstname.lastname@example.org was thinking very hard :
Have you tried cycling it again after a failed start, and before the
platters spin down? It gives them a head start spinning up which might
get you past the point of failure where everything is drawing power at
once. Sounds like a weak power supply, and even more so if this little
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:06:28 -0400, FromTheRafters
Tried that - no dice - and I think there is a capacitor keeping
<power on ie: indicator led lit > for a second or two after it
quits. Also tried un-plugging hard drive power & data - same
results on power on.
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:15:53 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Unplug ALL drives. Hard drive, CD drive, floppy drive (if it has one)
and so on.
If that dont do it, remove all plug in cards such as video card, sound
card, modem card, etc.
If it still wont stay running, remove the RAM. (if it tries to boot, at
least without the RAM, you'll get an error message, but it should stay
Once you get to this point, any short or overload MUST be the power
supply or the Motherboard.
You can likely buy an identical tower on Ebay for $20 or less. Buy one,
swap power supply. If that dont do it, the MB has probably failed.
If that's the case, just swap your HD over to the ebay machine and
whatever cards, drives etc you want to transfer.
On 8/1/16 1:27 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
After 10 years of loyal service, put it out to pasture or give it a
Your computing needs are modest if they're met with a machine this old.
You can get a new, more powerful laptop in the $200-$300 range.
Toss that 30 pound CRT monitor that's taking up half your desk along
with your five pound 30 inch wide clicking mechanical keyboard with the
coil cord too ;-)
With all this “gun control” talk, I haven’t heard one politician say how
they plan to take guns away from criminals and terrorists— just from law
| After 10 years of loyal service, put it out to pasture or give it a
| proper burial.
Easy to say, but what if he likes XP and doesn't
want to be stuck with Win10? The symptoms do
sound ominous, but I've repaired a number of XP
boxes that are still in use.
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