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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 18:22:50 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

If the hardware is similar enough that the drivers are easy to fix, you can just plug the drive in and boot from it on an XP system. MS has pretty much given up on all of that "your hardware changed" stuff. You just log on and it says "OK". I just did it the other day on one of my HP/Compaq systems that took a crap. I had another similar vintage HP and it sailed right through.
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:54:22 -0400, Nil

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On 8/1/2016 1:16 PM, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

Spitballing here. . .
Disconnect the power and data cables from the hard drive. Try a start and you should, if it's the drive, see "No Boot Device" or somesuch. Get into the BIOS and change the boot order to CD-ROM as #1 and reboot with your Windows XP drive in the CD-ROM/DVD and see what happens.
If you get it up and running that way, your hard drive may NOT be fried, but the MBR on the drive (Master Boot Record) is fried.
Had a similar situation earlier this year. Good, functioning box with XP Pro running without any issues. Suddenly one day it would not boot. Okay, shit happens and I just happened to have the identical model computer sitting on a storage shelf, sans drive. Lemme just put this hard drive from the machine that crapped out in the spare computer and I'll be up and running. Nope, same symptoms with the "spare" computer and that drive as what you're telling us. Funniest thing was, I could plant that hard drive in an external drive case and access it and pull files, etc. off it without any problem, but it WOULD NOT BOOT until I reformatted it and reinstalled Windows. Go figure.
Flip side: If you happen to have another working drive laying around with XP on it, swap out the drives and see what happens. If it boots up you'll have a bunch of whining and crying since you don't have the appropriate (at least not all of them) drivers but you should see it come up. If it does, then you have MBR (or other) problems with the other hard drive.
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On 08/01/2016 12:16 PM, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

http://pcsupport.about.com/od/toolsofthetrade/ht/power-supply-test-multimeter.htm
You have to jumper 15 and 16 or nothing will happen and then test the various pins on the connectors.
Like it says, make sure the whole basket of snakes is unplugged. I had one box that wouldn't boot because a faulty floppy drive was pulling the supply down. That was an easy fix -- who needs a floppy?
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1. power supply
2. hard drive
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On 8/1/2016 11:58 AM, dadiOH wrote:

if you can, you might connect the hard drive to another computer as an external drive and see what happens.
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Yep - if I had another tower computer I would have tried a swap for trouble-shooting. alas .. John T.
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hit the F9 or whatever the right key is to get into the BIOS setup
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 16:12:25 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

You can test the PS without a load by unplugging all of the low voltage cables, jumper the green wire in the big plug to any black one and it will power up. That does not eliminate everything but it is a starting point. The system board may be detecting something wrong with the voltages and shutting it down too. Some supplies want some kind of load like a 100 ohm resistor on the 5v but most ATX and newer supplies work fine unloaded.
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On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:23:27 -0700, Taxed and Spent

If you think the drive is tripping the power supply, unplug it.
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If it is the later, you should still be able to boot from a bootable CD, if you can get into the BIOS.
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 19:56:06 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote:

Makes me think 1. power supply because I un-plugged the hard drive power and data with the same results. John T.
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motherboard (or video card) followed by power supply., with the hard drive well down the list. The power supply powered up. It then shut down - likely from too high a startup current on the motherboard, due to shorted capacitors. VERY common problem. Been in the computer service business for 26 years now. Seen WAY too many of them behave that way. Usually start out being very slow to boot - then just die. Sometimes show no problems until total failure - and "occaisionally" will actually reboot after 10 or more retries - but run very slowly and possibly lock up or quit after a few minutes.
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Thanks Clare and everyone for the help. After ignoring it for a week or so - this computer has, mysteriously, started working again. I was about to do some more trouble-shooting. I'll buy a couple thumb drives and back-up some stuff and see what happens. Backing-up old emails will be " a first " for me .. so they can be accessed on a newer computer .. with a different email program ... John T.
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snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.com writes:

First thing after I'd try after making your backups is checking the power cord and making sure it's snugly plugged in at both ends. You could also try a new power cord.
Then I would recommend that you open the case and vacuum inside or use one of those cans of compressed "air" to blow the dust out. (If you blow the dust out, you might want to do that outside since it makes a real mess.)
Then take some pictures of the inside so you can see how everything was arranged and where stuff was plugged in - just in case.
Next you can unplug cables and plug them in again. Also look for damaged cables. Sometimes if they're not routed right they can get sucked into a fan and damaged, or caught between the case and cover, etc.
What I'm getting at is that it sounds like it could be a bad connection, and unplugging everything and plugging it back in (including any cards like a video or sound card, etc.) will often clean things up enough so everything will work again.
As for your e-mails, a straight backup may not let you restore to a different e-mail program. You may have to export them to a common format first and then import then to the new program. It really depends upon the e-mail program you use and the one you want to move to.
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snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca was thinking very hard :

Have you tried cycling it again after a failed start, and before the platters spin down? It gives them a head start spinning up which might get you past the point of failure where everything is drawing power at once. Sounds like a weak power supply, and even more so if this little trick works.
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:06:28 -0400, FromTheRafters

Tried that - no dice - and I think there is a capacitor keeping <power on ie: indicator led lit > for a second or two after it quits. Also tried un-plugging hard drive power & data - same results on power on. John T.
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:15:53 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

Unplug ALL drives. Hard drive, CD drive, floppy drive (if it has one) and so on.
If that dont do it, remove all plug in cards such as video card, sound card, modem card, etc.
If it still wont stay running, remove the RAM. (if it tries to boot, at least without the RAM, you'll get an error message, but it should stay running.
Once you get to this point, any short or overload MUST be the power supply or the Motherboard.
You can likely buy an identical tower on Ebay for $20 or less. Buy one, swap power supply. If that dont do it, the MB has probably failed.
If that's the case, just swap your HD over to the ebay machine and whatever cards, drives etc you want to transfer.
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On 8/1/16 1:27 PM, snipped-for-privacy@ccanoemail.ca wrote:

After 10 years of loyal service, put it out to pasture or give it a proper burial.
Your computing needs are modest if they're met with a machine this old. You can get a new, more powerful laptop in the $200-$300 range.
Toss that 30 pound CRT monitor that's taking up half your desk along with your five pound 30 inch wide clicking mechanical keyboard with the coil cord too ;-)
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| After 10 years of loyal service, put it out to pasture or give it a | proper burial. |
Easy to say, but what if he likes XP and doesn't want to be stuck with Win10? The symptoms do sound ominous, but I've repaired a number of XP boxes that are still in use.
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