On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 17:00:42 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Right. Unless you have "special needs" like gaming, fooling around
with the hardware, etc, the cost curve went against building you own
at least 10 years ago.
I still do it, because I'm particular about that, and game and tinker.
It's not cheap, because you pay retail for components.
High end parts cost.
Going with used eBay parts can make it work, but that has its own
traps. You have to know the real values.
Then, as you say, you'll be obligated to support it.
Reminds me of what somebody on a another newsgroup years ago.
Paraphrasing: "Why would somebody spend years writing a novel when you
can pick one up at a bookstore for a few bucks."
My old new thing was to buy an OEM package, wipe the HDD and install
an OEM version of Windows. Even with the extra $100 I feel I'm ahead,
short and long term. If I should decide I want a load of useless crap
on my machines I can always find it all over the 'net.
My newer thing is to buy an extra HDD and install the OEM Windows on
You probably bought a boxed unit from a chain store.
Get one of those independent hole-in-the-wall places to build one for you.
That way you get total control over hardware choice, partitioning, and
software installs. Plus the builder then takes care of the burn-in and the
warranty, and he'll be up on all the new hardware in a way you and I are
not. Tiger Direct will also build-to-order, and they're probably better
than the hole-in-the-wall places on account of their sales volume.
I gave up rolling my own years ago. It just wasn't worth it any more.
I've not built my own, but we have a guy we use for our computers for
work and he has built mine for a number of years now. Yes, the big
difference is all the crap that comes with the typical store bought
system. Only thing worse is the Gook Squad that fine tunes them to
the point they hardly run at all.
The main advantage of buying a name brand PC is you can usually get a
driver disk that has drivers that will work together.
Otherwise you are on a scavenger hunt looking for all the drivers you
need and about half the time there will be one that won't play nice
with another one.
I am always one generation off he bleeding edge and I buy off lease
commercial machines pretty cheap.
I always load them from a formatted disk.
The problem you have with drivers is when you are not sure what
hardware you actually have. I have a whole cabinet full of boards
cards and drives. When I am putting a machine together from my parts
cache I often find a card that drivers are a mystery item. The old
"free" driver sites have become malware factories, always trying to
get you to load crap you don't want. Manufacturers are dropping
support on products very early in the life cycle.
The chinks (Lenova) have really screwed up the IBM PC site.
I just "upgraded to a more familiar version" (W7 to XP Pro) on my,
new to me, X61 tablet and getting all the drivers was a nightmare. I
still have one yellow box on my device manager that I can't resolve.
Have you tried Raxco's PerfectUpdater? I believe they have a trial
version. I suckered into subscribing to it ... It's been almost a year
and all updates were done without problems other than rebooting.
ASUS X53E laptop w/ Win7Pro
Interesting. Lenovo's ThinkVantage updater is OK but it doesn't want to deal
with my WiFi drivers. There are newer drivers available but the installation
process looks to be a mess. I'd really like to be able to log into a WPA-2
network (like my phone - I'd rather not go naked).
On Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:39:12 -0400, " firstname.lastname@example.org"
Thinkvantage cleared 3 of the 4 mystery yellow boxes I had. One just
will not go away. None of those drivers TV fixed were on the X61
Lenova has really screwed the pooch on this one. I was able to get all
the drivers in one click on the old IBM.COM site for all of the
Netvistas and Aptivas I had, simply by putting in the type and model.
On 7/15/2012 1:03 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I often read the chip numbers on the board then search for the
manufacturer and have found drivers that way. I would recommend
software like Speccy witch will give you info down to a chip's
part number and serial number. ^_^
On 7/16/2012 7:47 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
If it's my own on my own time, I tend to view it as entertainment but
when the clock is ticking for someone else, I must decide if it's
economical to repair. I've had to point out to a number of folks over
the years that the most expensive and valuable item in/on their computer
is "The Data/Information". I used to preach "Backup your data and put
the tape in the fire resistant safe." but with the advent of cheap web
based backup that can be automated there is no excuse for any business
to ever lose data. I run service as an independent contractor for a few
nationwide service organizations where they will ship overnight loaded
hard drives to replace those in retail store computer systems and of
course I've repeatedly asked them about preventative maintenance to
clean the dust wildlife out of the computers on a regular basis but for
some odd reason they don't want to do anything until it breaks. O_o
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:12:22 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
I worked 5 years for a computer manufacturer - and the combinations
that did NOT work were much more numerous than those that did.
The research that goes into assembling a properly configured computer
can be quite extensive. I have just about finished instaling 50
off-lease Lenovo Think Stations to replace old terminals and PCs at a
small industrial concern where I spend 2 afternoons a week - excellent
fit for the job at extremely good pricing - and as noted, no searching
for "orphan" drivers.
With QC in the tank like it is with so many Chinese manufacturere,
assembling a system from parts can be a lot of "fun". When it doesn't
work, which part is causing the problem? Is it defective or just
incompatible? Without having at least 3 of everything on hand you
cannot troubleshoot by substitution with any confidence.
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