Yeah. When Oracle bought Sun, the OSS ppl freaked and forked OO to
LO, in 2010. Sun was always of a generous nature, but Oracle is a
little too shady fer comfort. Oracle finally gave up OO to Apache but
LO isn't taking any chances. I opened a buncha .doc's using LO, the
other day. Not elegant, but perfectly usable.
Fer a P4!?
I got 2 P4s. Got 'em both free. And I'm way out in the boonies. If
I was in a large metro area, could probably find a p4 out by the curb
with a "take it" sign on it. $100 of that is fer Winblows 7. I will
admit it has a decent P4 and 2G RAM and USB 2.0. Musta been one of
the last iterations of that family of Pentiums. I'd pay the $60 if I
could get it w/o Win7.
I don't know what all the "bloatware" that you find
so objectionable is. I'm sure some of that comes
with SOME systems, but it's never been a problem
for me. I believe that was more of a problem
years ago when systems would come loaded with
offers from AOL, Mindspring, and other ISP's, etc.
I recently bought two HP systems about a year
apart and they have an HP support assistant on them,
and free limited use versions of MSFT Office,
but other than that, there isn't anything else. The
support assistant keeps track of any updated drivers
or bios that HP might have and it will install them if
needed and you OK it. It doesn't bother me and
I don't bother it. The MSFT office starter software
was a plus and I use it. Even if it has other software
on it, if your friend doesn't use it, I don't see the
It would seem in a few minutes you could also just
remove the bloatware that you don't want.
Yes, the failure rate is higher in the beginning, but
clearly they can still fail at 6 or 9 months too. With a
system from HP or Dell then it's their problem. And
building the thing for a friend, those failures in the
early days would seem to be YOUR problem to
then deal with.
I didn't mean to imply that your friend doesn't trust you
or that you aren't competent. The common sense
aspect you speak of is why I suggested that for me,
building a system for someone else or even myself
for general purpos use doesn't make sense because
you're not saving much, if anything. It's been that way
for a decade or more now.
You said elsewhere that he's just using the thing for
email and web browsing, nothing special. Hundreds
of millions of folks are doing exactly that with all kinds
of off the shelf systems so I don't see why his
expectations would not be met with a $400 system
from say HP. And you can customize those to a
reasonable extent, change the CPU, memory,
hard drive size, etc.
Being in the position of building a system for someone
else today, from as you say a common sense standpoint,
is not where I'd want to be because I can see a lot
of downside and not much upside. But clearly you
can and should do as you please.
I do 95% stuff on iPad. Laying on couch. Thank god.
I had a acer vista laptop I gave away. I hated vista. Occasional boot
I bought a hp laptop. Hp assistant has done some good things, but it's a
pain. Especially when you say no, and it does it anyway. Between Microsoft
and hp support, I go crazy. It screwed up the computer after one update,
but recovered somehow.
My last desktop from tiger. Amd quad core, no problems. Probably $250. No
software included except drivers. I loaded XP, also had Symantec end point.
It's great, except like my laptop, just set back for a while while
everything settles down, scanning, loading, connecting,
I have a Compaq P4 in a drawer in the end table next to my Lazboy. A
monitor on the table and a wireless keyboard and mouse makes for
My wife has a similar setup near her chair with the system unit behind
the chair and the monitor on a wall bracket.
There is also the same model Compaq in my entertainment center for the
( got 4 of them for a tad under $200 shipped).
The grandkids have the other one out in their play room.
I have a few more machines running around here doing other things.
Usage (and budget) will dictate the best choices. For instance, do you
need hard drive capacity or graphics performance. Personally, I'd get
an SSD drive rather than a hard drive--but that is because I place a
premium on performance over capacity. I think the Dell medium end
monitors are a good value (on sale for $239 recently from $300, I
think). Let me know if you are interested and I'll look up the model.
tomshardware.com has LOTS of information on components.
A $99 P4 or $119 i5 off Lease ThinkCenter is about the best bargain
you will get - 3 years old, industrial strength, high compatability
and reliability Tier 1 machine. Can't ask for more for non video
iintensive (not a gamer) machine.
It might be less frustrating to start with a bare-bones system or a used
one, then upgrade.
I saw some desktop Dells that came back off lease to a school district:
* $99 - Intel dual core, 2.4GHz, 1GB DDR2, 160GB drive, CD-RW/DVD, WinXP-Pro
* $148 - Pentium D dual core, 17"LCD monitor, keyboard, optical mouse, 1GB
DDR2 memory, 80GM drive, LAN, XP Pro. Add $100 for a terabyte drive and $75
for 3 MB more of memory.
* and so on
The above were discovered at Directron in Houston.
I replied earlier that you hadn't specified any system goals or a budget.
One of the best arguments made against you doing this is that you become
the "fix it" man when ANYTHING goes wrong and, as you must surely know,
something surely will, and then you will likely be sorry.
Build for yourself, maybe. For someone else, forgetaboutit! : )
I think you would be being a good friend if you located a system to
On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:46:35 -0500, "Atila Iskander"
Laptops have a place, but for home use, I still prefer a big honkin'
desktop with a 21 inch or larger monitor, keyboard that can be moved
When I want portability, my netbook has traveled to much of the US and
Europe with me. Or it can sit on my belly when in front of the TV.
Nope. Lots of us.
Better yet, you can pick up decent box fer zero $$. Ppl can't give
'em away, anymore. Actually costs $$ to dispose of 'em. I haven't
paid for a computer in yrs. Granted, I'm not running the hottest
gamer box in town, but running Linux gets me what I need for nada.
Finally hadda kick out the jams and splurge fer an LCD monitor, no
CRTs lying around. My new Acer 23" is killer. I may join the 21st
century if I can find a decent box fer < $200.
Oh yeah, two days ago a 17" CRT turned up, fer free. With 2 keyboards
and two mice. I passed. ;)
Yep. My first job provided PC, an old XT clone running MS-DOS 2.0. w/
20Mb HDD and token-ring card to connect to company's mainframe HP-UX
database network. It was the most outdated pass-me-down box in the
company, but I was stoked and ended up becoming the Harvard Graphics
pareto chart guru of the dept. ;)
My first 15 inch monitor was $400. First 17 inch was $400. Still have it,
it was around 1993 when I broke down and bought my first personal computer.
I saw monitors way back working at DEC in 1969. They were just starting to
get into desktop monitors, vs the big rack mounted devices, using light
At another workplace $2000 monitors were common in the 90's I worked on the
worlds highest resolution monitor, something like $15k. Sony bought the
company started by IBM, to stop making the product. I remember buying a
high speed hd, $2000 for something 1-2 gb. Thing ran too hot to touch.
I'm glad I don't have to play much with hardware anymore, but the software
will kill you.
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