I'm sure you'll understand that I'm not going to tell the world how to
defeat my personal security precautions. If you can't imagine what it
would take to get into a _vault_, well, I can't help you much.
I notice you missed responding to the central point of my response.
Why, oh why, might that be I wonder?
Because what it would require is power tools or explosives. Since there's
no electricity after the hurricane, that rules power out. And I don't often
see explosives lying around either. Sounds like shoddy security in those
That you have better security than the shopkeepers in NO?
Of course it wouldn't. I could get in with hand tools and other
equipment in my own workshop. But it'd take a while.
Those, would be in the vault.
No, it sounds like you don't have a clue. You (well, maybe not
you) could get into _any_ secured area given the motivation, time, and
privacy to do it. They had their wares out to be sold, which involves
them being visible. Which means, usually, a glass display case. Now,
tell me how tough it would be to get into a glass display case?
No shit. I'm also not -SELLING THINGS- which requires that they be, you
know, visible. You said "the stuff got stolen so obviously they didn't
care about security", and I provided a blisteringly obvious
counterexample showing how your point was wrong. Now, your point seems
to have shifted?
According to my one textbook on building security systems,
the estimated time for one man with a sledgehammer
to get through a steel-reinforced concrete wall 8" thick
is 8 minutes.
I seriously doubt that there's any vault in NO that could
keep me out for more than a day, if I really wanted to
get into it, and was sure no-one would bother me.
It is cannonical that detection and human responders are
an absolutely vital part of any security(containment)
A misc rural or home repairs regular should know HOW to circumvent such
safeguards as part of repairing them and knowing which ones slow thieves
And how useless they can be under the conditions existing in New Orleans.
You would, at most, need someone to remind you of the conditions
existing there if you were worth paying the least attention to. For you
to continue pursue your position shows you do not know what your are
What part of "as much time as you want and no concerns about making
noise" aren't you understanding? Hell, given all the time you want and
the knowledge that nobody cared about noise, you could even get into
_my_ gun storage vault. It'd take you a while and make a hella noise,
but the fact that you can get in, eventually, doesn't mean I "don't care
all that much about (my) stuff getting robbed".
Looting (stealing from a store or home owner who has lost everything he
or she owns in that building anyhow) quickly becomes robbing the other
survivors of what they have.
Robbery wastes resources. The thief gains less than the victim loses,
yielding a net loss of assets in the population and increasing the
number of people who need rescue.
Yes, if it is the insurees stealing from the insurance company or the
federal government. Physically remove 10- $50 pair of sneakers and you
can (and many here applaud) be shot and killed. Making slight
oversight errors on the worth of your insured property for sums perhaps
way in excess of the fatal $500 sneaker grab, well, that's just the
cost of doing business, and if caught at it, there will not be any such
summary execution, but some longer, more drawn-out legal proceeding,
with the robbers (funny, we don't call the wealthy who do this
"robbers," nor do we call this "looting.") paying some token fine.
Ripping off a shoe store of $500....shoot the b***ards!
Ripping off an insurance company of $50,000.....Club Fed.....if that.
And selling what you told the insurance company (or the federal
government) was your "....entire stock, that was taken away by the
muddy waters...," where "the muddy waters" was the name your
brother-in-law gave his truck, is just good old American capitalism.
"Looter?" "Robber?" "Shot dead"? Heavens no.
No. But that's what insurance is for. Your car gets stolen. Police take
report. Police don't investigate and most likely your robbery goes
unsolved. You contact insurance company and they pay. It's the way it
happens everyday. You think it's going to be any different in a hurricane
Insurance is an excellent example of how robbery reduces total assets in
the economy. The total amount paid in is less than the total amount paid
out. This should be immediately obvious to anyone who can add up how
much he has paid for all types of insurance and how much the insurance
companies have paid out over the years.
Like they did to an innocent Brazilian man shot dead by British police who
mistook him for a London bombing suspect?
Don't underestimate the power of religion, looking back at
recent times, I am worry about the power of religions be it
Christianity, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever and the people
practicing it. Remember Pastor Jim Jones and more recently
Pat Robert encouraging the assassination of Hugo Chavez
of Venezuela and least we forget Osama Bin Laden. Mad
men appearing on our Cables 7/24 promising all kinds of
cures and a place in heaven, wealth etc. for your hard
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