That's why I suggested a couple of 3 way switches, one at each end of the long walkway. They would be especially useful when they might want the lights on continuously, which most motion sensor allow for with a rapid on-off-on, etc. cycle of the switch.
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Complete nonsense. Code permits Romex to be run in conduit in any location where it can be run alone. And in locations where protection from physical damage is needed, conduit isn't simply "allowed" -- it's *required*.
No it isn't. Anything outside exposed to the weather is a wet location.
NEC article 100 Location, Wet. Installations underground or in concrete slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations subject to saturation with water or other liquids, such as vehicle washing areas; and in UNPROTECTED LOCATIONS EXPOSED TO WEATHER.
Being in conduit does not change that
The NEC handbook commentary says this "The inside of a raceway in a wet location and a raceway installed underground are considered wet locations. Therefore, any conductors contained therein would be required to be suitable for wet locations."
Interesting, I learned something new tonight.
That was easy to confirm with a bit of research, but funny how misinformation like that becomes "common knowledge". Another reminder not to believe everything you read online! :)
In any case, Romex is not allowed in wet locations, so it still wouldn't be appropriate for outdoor conduit runs.
From a practical standpoint, if the conduit has any bends it will be a lot easier to pull individual wires than a stiff Romex cable.
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That would depend on the size of the conduit. ;-)
All I know is around here a sealed conduit system is not considered an "unprotected location exposed to weather". and nor is a weatherproof outdoor receptacle on the outside wall of a house. Now, thei "conduit" can NOT be EMT in this instance, because EMT is not a "sealed conduit system" like a glued sceptre system or a threaded Ridgid conduit or a electra-flex or liqui-tite flexible conduit.
Wrong again. Outside is wet, whether it's in conduit or not. But you won't see this, because you have me blocked. You've got so many blocked, probably why you can't learn.
Uneducable, obviously.
These systems are far from "sealed" and most will collect water over time. That is particularly true if it is underground. The conduit joints might be water tight but the condulets and box covers are far from it. They breathe, moisture infiltrates and condenses.
OK - the OP was definitely not talking about underground. He's talking running conduit up a wall to a light., and the cover on a weatherproof box is water tight. The "Liquid-tite" conduit running to my wall mounted security light IS waterproof - it is certifiable for underwater lighting use, and the cover it comes out of, on the J-Box it connects to, is also "weather-tite". No danger of water getting into the "conduit system" in any way. A sceptre plastic system can be every bit as tight. Mine passed inspection with no problems.
And of course there is danger of water getting into the conduit, it's called condensation. It's not airtight, humid air gets, in it cools, now you have some moisture. And I've yet to see a perfect oudoor box either. They rely on gaskets that aren't perfect, some water can get in around screws, etc. It's also really stupid here, because the OP can just run type UF, which is permitted inside and out and no inspector will fail it. I think it's probably easier to transition to THWN where it goes outside, but that's just me.
But feel free to keep me on your ignore list and keep pissing in the wind.
Underwater lights are sealed units (NEMA 6P) including the SJOW cord which goes all the way to the box above the deck. The niches they install in are flooded so the "liquid tite" going to it is wet on one end, all the way back to the water level. That is why the pool light J box is always elevated a foot or two above the ground. That raceway is full of water and the reason why it needs to be "liquid tite" is so the pool won't drain.
Yeah sure, that bubble cover is really going to even keep the rain out, not to mention humid air. They are wet locations and that is why the NEC now requires weather resistant receptacles. Those boxes can end up holding water up to the level of that silly foam ring that barely seals the day it was installed and a year later it usually crumbles to dust if you touch it..
No doubt it passes inspection but it is not certified "waterproof" only "rain tight" (NEMA3r). Do you really think it is "air tight" and that is what you need to prevent condensation.
This is what NEMA says about 3r "NEMA 3R enclosures are typically used in outdoor applications for wiring and junction boxes. This style of enclosure provides protection against falling rain, sleet, snow, and external ice formation. Indoors they protect against dripping water. This style of enclosure does not have a gasketed sealing surface. Some models have hasps for padlocking"
That little foam ring is not a "gasket"
The point is, it's romex in weathertight conduit in an exterior application and it passed inspection in Canada, where the rules are generally a lot more rigig when it comes to safety standards (nanny state)
Canada may have different rules about what a wet location is or the inspector just missed it.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
And there you go *again* assuming that what the CEC says (or what you think it says) applies everywhere else in general, or to the NEC in specific.
snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
One: Just because it passed inspection does not mean it meets code in that jurisdiction. The inspector may not have seen it -- or may have been as ignorant of the code as you are.
Two: What you *think* is code-compliant in Canada isn't necessarily code-compliant, either there or anywhere else.
Three: It's time you learned that.
Four: This is NOT compliant with the U.S. NEC, irrespective of your misguided opinions.
Five: Are you aware that you've been arguing with a master electrician (gfretwell, not me) about what does and doesn't meet Code?
trader_4 wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@googlegroups.com:
The main reason he can't learn is that he thinks he already knows everything.
Watch it Doug. Pretty soon you'll be on his blocked list with me and he'll say you're a jerk. And I agree it's interesting that here he is arguing with gfretwell on NEC, yet I'm the one that's supposed to be a jerk. Go figure.
Answer to one - it passed - that's all that matters to me Answer to two - I know code in Canada and elsewhere is different - and I've qualified that several times. I said "in Canada" Answer to three - I already know that - see one and two above. Answer to four - I never said it was compliant to US NEC - I said it passes here - and I'm sure it has been passed many times in many places in the USA as well - not every jurisdiction sticks strictly to the NEC
Answer to number four - all kinds of guys argue with me about automotive stuff - and I've been a "master mechanic" for over half my life - (and I'm not 30). I've been wrong a few times, and I'm sure he has been too.
Not saying he's wrong now either.
snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
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"Passed inspection" is not the same as "Code-compliant".
Nice try. What you *actually* said is
No qualifiers there at all.
Clearly you haven't learned it yet, as amply demonstrated by what you *actually* said (in contrast to what you now *claim* you said). This is not the first time you've made blanket statements about what's Code-compliant and what's not, without mentioning the fact that you're talking about Canadian code (or your interpretation thereof, anyway).
Again, for the record, what you *actually* said is
Again, "passed inspection" is not the same as "code compliant".
Indeed you have.
Not here, not on electrical issues -- not that I've ever noticed, anyway. I've learned a lot from reading his posts.
No, and not implying it at all, either, are you?
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