Yes, another person mentioned two specific chemicals
which are real possibilities. I told my friend about
them and she was appreciative.
I might not have mentioned this, but my friend is
competent with the 'concentrate' version of Roundup
and has used it successfully on other plants.
These particular plants are nothing like I've ever
seen before because they remain upright after many
applications of properly mixed Roundup.
The supposition is that she has a counterfeit bottle
of Roundup or that other chemicals would be better
suited to these plants.
Sorry. My address is munged. I've replied to the
group for the sake of continuity.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Is it pokeweed you're fighting? I would just dig up the roots and be
vigilant for little shoots in the future (and make sure that you pull
them out roots and all.) I've been fighting them ever since I moved
into this house, and have finally gotten to the point where it's under
control. It's an awful, awful plant and grows twice as fast as any
non-viney plant in my experience.
I personally don't want to use a chemical solution because the pokeweed
might be growing up through a fern, trillium, or something else
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Nup. Rather than a low growing bush, these are 'all stalk'.
They grow over 4' tall without branches for the first
couple feet. If bamboo only grew to 1/4" to 3/8" diameter
and had a smooth exterior and a central fibrous core, that'd
be a good description.
Note to self: Need a very narrow shovel.
We need to genesplice weeds with tomatoes so I can plant
in the morning and have a salad at dinner.
Thanks for your thoughts, Nate.
You described these weeds as fibrous plants in a much earlier post
that I am too lazy to go back and find. I have to tell you that I
believe I have these same weeds here in western New York and no idea
what the hell they are (they're not pokeweed). I want you to know
that I agree that they are just about indestructible. We tried weed
whacking ours (which fortunately are more or less hidden behind the
garage) to no avail, and I just don't have the energy to dig them out,
which is what I think is what has to be done (I am also not a RoundUp
fan, especially because I have three dogs who go through that area).
Again, I think digging these plants out is the best bet, and I may try
it myself later this season when the weather cools down. But I also
think it's important to replace them with something else, and grass
won't do it. I'm thinking of something like ribbon grass, which is
similarly invasive, but a lot more attractive. So, after the next
good rain some time in October, I may be out there with my shovel.
It seems (after reading 80+ posts), you have multiple problems. Most
have been discussed, but let me go over them again and add my
First, you're making your "friends" problem yours. You bought her a
mower and she sold it. Did she give you the money? If she didn't,
sheis USING you.
Second, she is too lazy, too dumb, or high maintenance to do the work
herself, so again, she is USING you.
Third, if she isn't giving you sex, she is USING you and you get
Fourth, there are many solutions to the weed problem, but she don't
want to hear them because you are EASY.
Fifth, the weeds can be plowed under, a herbicide applied and new
grass planted. But I am guessing she doesn't want to do that. I
guarantee that will work.
Sixth, if she is such a bitch as to complain about a little noise to
correct a problem, and you cater to her whims, you are as bad as she
is and you both deserve each other.
Seventh, if you aren't willing to listen to the wonder ideas presented
to you on this NG, then call in a professional. I'm guessing she
doesn't want to do that.
My only other suggestion is...............DUMP HER and find a new
friend that won't use you to correct a problem that she obviously
doesn't want fixed.
Hank <~~~thinks WINSTON has been smoking too much of this so called
Nah. Our relationship is outside the parameters of the problem.
I hesitate to drift the thread further by mentioning the many, many times
she has fed me and SWMBO and provided many tools and materials to
me personally, gratis. She also housed me and SWMBO while our
current house was undergoing remodel. I owe her, not the other way
Nah. She spent a *lot* of time out there with both weed-whackers.
Made some progress but obviously requires a different tool in
order to make the same kind of progress I experienced with the
gas powered brush cutter. She is smart and active but just needs
a tool that she can understand and use productively.
**********Old Fogy Story Alert**********
I once rented a bobtail truck. They first gave me one with (badly
adjusted) air-over-oil brakes as a joke. No matter how gently I
whispered to that brake pedal, the rear end of that sucker would
lock up and screech. Probably worked great with a significant
load. I brought it back inside of about 7 minutes 'cause I
imagined what the (empty)500+ mile trip back to the yard was
going to be like!
The 'tool' would have done the job just fine. The replacement
bobtail did the job just fine (and safely and quietly too).
Was I lazy, dumb, demanding, 'high maintenance'?
I have been all four, at times. Not this time, though.
Heh! I won't mention that to SWMBO. :)
Easy is good!
She cleaned up after me when I knocked the weeds over the first time.
She tried herbicide several times, she used the weed whackers a lot.
She will shortly try another herbicide suggested in this forum.
Yup. Rototilling has been suggested before and it is a good idea.
Is there a way to handle these monster weeds without having to
do that? Perhaps the suggested herbicide will be the ticket.
If it kills the seeds, we may be All Done. That'd be nice.
I'm going to get us tee shirts with opposing arrows:
"I'm as bad as that one!"
As loud as the noise is (believe me the brush cutter *is* painfully
loud) she prefers a tool that she can understand and use without help.
I can relate.
I heard all the ideas. I appreciate the time and thoughts of
all those generous folks who contributed to the solution.
We are gonna triumph over the monster plants and learn what
does and does not work, in the process.
That'd be rather cold and shallow after all she's done for me and SWMBO,
don't you think? What kind of friend would I be, then?
Woo! Didn't mean to rile you, Hank! :)
--Winston <-- So, do you want a hit or not?
I did not read all of the post here, but, I can draw one simple conclusion.
In spite of what you say, she is not all that smart. Cutting something that
grows back is not a solution, no matter how good the tool.
The smart solution is to eliminate them with the proper herbicide or by
manually pulling the roots out. That is the only way to get a permanent
Seeds and roots just under the surface can be "damaged" with the
application of heat. I have a propane burner for that purpose. Clear
away the vegetation and then scorch the soil. Surprisingly effective.
Not riled, just confused, why, after all the time and energy you (and
her) have put in to curing the problem, you don't take the permanent
fix and have it tilled, spray herbicide and plant new grass that will
force out the weeds. The fix is obvious, do it.
Besides, if she is a true friend, you don't owe her anything, thats
the way true friendships work. Also, one of you have an attraction to
the other. Men and women can't be "just friends".
No thanks on the hit.
Hank <~~~amateur psycholigist :-)
Did you miss the part where she made several applications of
a previously effective herbicide? I still agree that tilling
is a good idea, but we need a way to prevent further germination.
That's why I'm optimistic about the alternative herbicide.
Friendships require thoughtfulness, respect and work.
Minus those things, you are just left with exploitation.
Are Homer Simpson and Ned Flanders friends? No.
I've got a friend who is an independent contractor.
He loaned me a belt sander about 10 years ago and I toasted it
trying to take the finish down on an oiled chopping block.
I took the tool in for a rebuild, then I bought a brand new
sander of the same model and gave that to my friend and
apologized for breaking his sander.
(I still use the rebuilt tool.)
Note that he didn't have to call wondering what happened
to his sander. He got an apology and a new sander.
Since then, I've worked on some of his projects.
He's worked on some of my projects. Somehow the subject
of paying each other never came up, because we are friends.
Of course we can be "just friends".
Don't be silly.
Not every psychologist is a fraud (*all* evidence to the
Fewer than 2% give the rest a good reputation.
What if you tied a thin rope to a bundle of the stalks, wrapped it
around your car bumper, and jerked them out by the roots?
(all my other ideas have been suggested already. Except the ones that
involve explosives or automatic weapons, and I'm getting the idea
those aren't going to be acceptable.)
Or. Freeze them with liquid nitrogen?
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