Burried PVC Conduit/Cable

[Art Todesco]

In my church, we are planning on burying a PVC conduit from the office building to the church building for telephones and internet connection. The plan is to put in 1 cat5e for internet and 3 cat5e for telephone ... the office digital phone system uses RJ-45/cat5e. My question is, will the standard gray PVC conduit hold up underground. Will is crack due to ground freezing and thawing? We are near Chicago, so the frost line can go down 4 feet. Would it be better to get direct burial cat5e and use that without the conduit? BTW, the distance is about 250 feet, so that shouldn't be a problem with the phone system or internet connection (router/broadband cable modem).

[John Grabowski]

I suggest that you use 2 or 3 expansion couplings and use at least 1" pvc. You might also want to put an in-ground pull box about halfway. I also suggest that you spend a little more money and use Cat 6 for your internet connection. Use 22 gauge wire because of the distance.

Personally I would use the conduit instead of direct burial cable. It is a lot easier to install additional circuits or replace outdated wire by pulling through a pipe instead of digging a trench again in the future.

[HA HA Budys Here]

Now, when CHURCHES are installing multiple telephone lines, broadband internet and T1 connections, it's time to start taxing them.

[TURTLE]

This is Turtle.

Hey Ha Ha , if you really check to see about a churches income tax statues. You will see if a church filed a 1040 IRS form they would not pay a penny if they filed just like you or me. The church is the business , repair to the business / church sturcture / cat 5 wire to phones , Salary to preacher and secretary , automobles to preacher to see the members , and just about everything they do is a deduction under 1040 form of the IRS. The church does not sell a product, profittiable item [ in most cases ] , and is concidered as Not For Hire. they just don't make money from sales of any kind but some have bake sales or what ever but the sales can not equal the expences of the church that year or they can be taxed. now the preacher , secretary , and workers of the church will pay income taxes just like you or I.

Here is the point here. All Churches pay the say income taxes as Exxon Co. U.S.A. last year. Exxon made last year $6.2 Billion dollars and paid zero income taxes. The churches just does the same thing.

TURTLE

[Jimmy]

Right concept, wrong specifics:

Every *business* deducts their expenses from their revenues to calculate any "taxable profit".

Actually, they can make all the money they want. Being "non-profit" does not mean that you don't *make* a profit, it means that you are not *taxed* on your profits.

Yep.

Well, Exxon needs a tax incentive to make sure that they keep exploring for oil... I mean, there's no real incentive to do it when they'd only make a few billion $'s each year if fully taxed :-)

[Ron]

Just something else to think about:

Have you looked into wireless solutions instead of all this cable burying and wire pulling and their inherent difficulties when it comes to troubleshooting when things go wrong?

[Houseknave]

[wayne]

don't forget to put a pull string in the conduit for future growth make sure you have plenty of room for other wiring. Ethernet distance is 100 meters

330' so you might be getting close to the max when it comes end to end.

Make sure you bury it to the proper depth and put some wire or metal tape above the conduit when you backfill.the trench!

Wayne

[Art Todesco]

[BGBevill]

Possibly to find it with a metal detector should someone have to dig in that area later on.

[TURTLE]

This is Turtle.

Yes , i do know the difference between Exxon and a church but the concept is the same. Exxon when making a profit will account for the money being made by matching up a expence that will account for a lose which it can be deducted from the profit. Now the church will when they make a profit. They will have to ear mark the money as a Fund for something to be paid for now or in the future. The Church still has to account for the profit but they HAVE to put the word "fund" behind any account they make a profit on or in. This profit becomes a future fund to be used for charity or repair of the church system.

Now they do not have to be accounted very little to the IRS because of charitiable status and can make a profit and not pay taxes on it , but so does Exxon but in a different way. A example here. The First United Methodist Church is a Corperation and files as charitiable Corperation status just like Exxon but Exxon is a for profit corperation status.

I did leave myself open when I said just like Exxon but i should have said just " Both pay no taxes'' .

TURTLE

[Brian Elfert]

Businesses pay property taxes regardless of profitability. A non-profit is not required to pay property taxes. Some non-profits make voluntary payments to the city or county to pay for things like police, fire, and EMS.

The church I attend would be hurting if they had to pay property tax.

Brian Elfert