L.E.D lighting for kitchen anyone?


I've decided to scrap some 12 volt x 50 watt halogen spot lighting I have in my kitchen
In particular a 6 light cluster (x 50 watts 00 watts) because it's too expensive, i'm not sure it's even safe and it's still not that bright
You cant seem to buy flo-tubes any more and they're not very attractive
It seems that LED seems to be the only option - they very, very low consumption making them cheaper and safer to run - but are they bright?
Any pointers/links
If they prove to be successful i will also replace 2 x 4 cluster spots as well
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P.S. I'm assuming i can't just replace GU10 12v halogens with GU10 LED's

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You know I'm not sure ... they certainly only take a small amount of juice to light up but whether they'll work with a 12v system I don't know. Hopefully someone else will know the answer for you.
Ash.
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I have not seen a GU10 12v lamp.
GU10s are 230v rated. It matters not if they are GU10 LED or GU10 230V lamps. GU10 lamps are rated to use 230V. This makes sure a 12V lamp is not shoved into a 230V light fitting. They have different fittings to the 12 volt MR16 fittings.
You can buy 12V LED MR16 lamps
I can assure you that the GU 10 LEDs are a waste of space.
Adam
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I have to agree Adam about the GU10's been a waste of space ... especially the recessed ones. You need far too many of them to provide a decent spread of light ... they are trendy and that's about all you can say about them ... I regret the day we had ours fitted and as soon as the bulbs have all gone (I've a few cheapo LEDs left in the cupboard) I'll be binning mine for a nice bright fluorescent light. We fitted our GU10 lights in a hurry when we were renovating the house and we really wished we'd taken the time and the effort to research a bit more the practicality of these stupid lights ...after the ordinary light bulbs these lights should be the next to face the axe.
Ash
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You're quite right - After taking another look, my lights are actually 240v - not sure why I had it in my head they were 12 v - it just was :o)

Does that mean 12V LED MR16 lamps are better, or are you saying LED's per se are poor?
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LED products you find aimed at the retail market are very poor, particularly MR16 and GU10 retrofits, as those bulb formats are unsuitable for LED lighting at enywhere near equivalent levels of filament lighting. To a first approximation, assume that 1W of LED will be equivalent to 1W of filament lamp for these cheap crap consumer products.
There are commercial LED products available which are viable, but they are at commercial prices, and well outside retail price ranges. You'd need a fairly good knowledge of lighting design to use them, or to employ the services of a lighting designer.
The other option is to design and make your own, which I've done in one case using the professional quality LED components, which can be bought for reasonable prices. You'll then need to design the optics, heat management, rest of the fitting, and the power supply.
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Why wouldn't it be safe. Did you fit them yourself?

You're lazy as B&Q and many other retailers sell fluorescent tubes. They are prefectly usable and provide far more light than small halogens and dim LEDs with limited coverage.

No, they are crap for lighting a room.

The Internet would be a start, maybe a few shops that display hundreds of LED light fittings.

Next you will be asking how to replace them or for a number of someone that will do it for you.
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LEDs do your eyes in ........
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GU10 lights in his kitchen to LED's. (12V fitted in kitchen extension, 230V in original kitchen...very strange).
Anyway 9 months later all back to 50W halogen bulbs as couple of issues....
- None of the LED lights were as bright as the halogens they replaced, an issue in the kitchen. - The 5W 12V LEDs certainly did not replace 50W halogen downlighters. - The 5W 12V LED downlighters were very white and harsh. - The 5W 12V LED downlighters cost 20 each. - The 3W GU10 were too dim for kitchen use. (quoted equivalent to 30W halogen, more like 20W halogen). - The 3W GU10 were 2 for 10.
Anyway in summary the lights got dimmer and dimmer as time passed, it got hard as night to see what you were eating in the kitchen.
After 9 months he eventually he sent all the lights back to the supplier (from the web) for his money back. The supplier said no as they were 9 months old. They then changed their tune to the fact he had misused them and had not been installed in appropriate fittings. It appears that these LED replacement lamps are not suitable to straight halogen replacement as they get too hot and this seriously shortens their life. The supplier would sell him suitable fixings, but they needed 100mm or 150mm ceiling cutouts, 12V ones needed special transformers, fittings cost 15 a go, all insulation must be removed in the roof cavity around lights and finally need possibly twice as many fittings as currently fitted to provide same light level,
My mated settled for 12 off 12V halogen bulbs and 12off GU10 bulbs as compensation and wrote the whole thing off as a bad attempt to be "green" (and over 150) without doing the research first.....
I am so glad he has put the halogens back as when I go round for a meal I can now see what I am eating......
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Sorry to be late to the party as usual. I am considering six ZEP1s from Ecoled for my ten by twelve kitchen. Has anyone any experience of these or care to comment on the specs?
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