Saw Stop - Oregon

[Robatoy]

Really now. I'd be interested to discover how you really feel. . . .

*still laffin' me arse off*

[Leon]

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"Two of them have been in John Stearns' woodshop class at Amity High School. Stearns applied for grants to pay for two SawStop saws in

2008, which cost $7,400, about three times the price of other brands. "I would pay twice as much for those saws to keep my kids from losing their fingers," Stearns said. "Those two kids walked away without a scratch. That's amazing. I don't know if I would go back to any other saw."

I know his intentions are good. But the kids who walk out of his shop class are not going to be scared enough. It used to piss me off when my high school shop teacher yelled about safety. I understand now.

I think you are perhaps thinking that knowing that the blade will not cut your digits off will also not be scary. I highly suspect that the blade spinning at 100 mph is still going to be intemidating.

[Leon]

Actually before even attempting to build the SawStop the inventors did indeed offer the license to the other manufacturers. They of course having poor insight turnd down the offer.

[Leon]

On the other hand, if you customer base is not buying your product because it lacks this popular safety feature they also become uncompetitive. If the unions would bow out and let the manufacturers pay what the skill of putting together a TS is "actually" worth the company could pay the license fee and make a profit, probably a larger profit. If your productions costs are in excess to start with it is also very hard to be competitive.

[nailshooter41]

I was unclear as well, Karl.

Care to elaborate?

*snort*

And for the rest of you, I do certainly hope that your kids are permanently hurt in a car wreck (kind of like getting fingers or hands cut off in a saw) to keep them safe in their later years. Since something like 93% of all car accidents are from careless errors, a maiming accident could be of real value. That would help teach the rest of the folks in your family (maybe even their friends!) about car safety. That in turn might help keep me and mine safe. Thanks!

Or maybe in a moment of teenage distraction (we KNOW that never happened to anyone here!) one of your children could lose half a hand in a saw and be the proud example of tough love to teach the other kids. That way he could go through life from age 16 a cripple. BUT.... he would really *understand* saw safety, so you know the price was right! After all, NO ONE should be allowed a lapse of reason or attention. Especially not a kid. And if he has his whole life in front of him, what could be better than to lose a hand early on to give a lesson that would last a lifetime?

I can see a lot of good sense to being maimed to show tough love. I don't personally know anyone that wouldn't want their kids to be in as safe an environment as possible, but I applaud the kick ass sonofabitches HERE that are glad to see the children of others sacrificed to make them satisfied. No moral or ethical standard can be too high when someone else is paying the freight, right?

Following your logic, as long as you tough love hard asses toe the line at nothing, you could make this world a lot safer. Make sure you follow this through though, and make sure your families are in this with all safety devices in their everyday lives.. When a dumb, silly, or careless mistake costs an eye, an arm, a hand, or a life (theirs or someone else's) make sure you pat them on the back let them know it was for their own good!

While I don't want to lose a body part or function of one to make a point, I would be more than glad to hear or better yet see any permanent, crippling or at least debilitating damage that you guys have that you felt was particularly helpful in your personal development. This doesn't have to be woodworking related.

I would love to see a proudly displayed stump of yours or maybe a family member that you (and them) feel that the lesson learned from a second of inattention or simple bad judgment was worth the price paid.

Pics or it didn't happen.

Robert

[LDosser]

By the time I got to shop class, I'd injured myself enough with hand tools to be leery of anything connected to the power grid. Particularly since I'd also had a couple electric shocks by then also. :(

[HeyBub]

"Greed" is good. As one great worthy of antiquity said: "If not for greed, no man would marry, build a home, or father a child."

If anything, it is the RESULT of some greed that is bad, not the inclination itself.

[Robatoy]

IOW, Money is not the root of all evil... the love for it is.

[Swingman]

Not necessarily, depends on the definition and context, as in this case:

"excessive or rapacious desire, esp. for wealth or possessions"

[krw]

Choice is a good thing. I have no issue with SawStop making that argument to consumers. They didn't succeed with their 100% margin over a Unisaw, though.

OTOH, the unions could force a higher wage and manufacturing might move to China. Oh, wait.

[krw]

Well, there were no patents before 1790. ;-)

[krw]

You mean, having poor insight, they refused to pay their protection so had their business burned.

[krw]

My Unisaw still scares me. I have a *very* healthy respect for that chunk of iron. So far it hasn't tried any nasties, like my RAS has.

That's going to be the result. No one will be able to afford the hobby.

[RonB]

On Mar 14, 11:39=A0am, "Leon" wrote: =A0I highly suspect that the blade spinning at 100 mph is still going to be intimidating.

I would like to think so. But remember, we have a lot of high school shop class aged folks who are not intimidated by driving a 3,500 car at 65 mph while texting.

RonB.

[LDosser]

And more shop classes shut down.

[CW]

Less that 15% of US manufacturing is union. This "unions are ruining manufacturing in this country" line that some like to harp on is just BS.

[Lew Hodgett]

----------------------------------- Yabut it's such a convenient whipping boy.

Lew

[Larry Jaques]

On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:41:20 -0500, the infamous "Leon" scrawled the following:

Did you see how he wanted to "share" that invention? Altruistic he AIN'T! MB he AIN'T!

-- No matter how cynical you are, it is impossible to keep up. --Lily Tomlin

[krw]

How's GM working out for ya?

[HeyBub]

Nope. The evil is solely in the methods and effects of following your heart. Many a woman marries for the love of money, to the gratification of all involved.