On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:13:07 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Perhaps neither is very good. The place I stayed at a couple of times
in Italy was originally built in the 1100's and rebuilt in the 1500's.
The stonework is still in great shape. Interior has been upgraded, of
IMO, some may haunt us. Vinyl siding is good for 30 to 50 years so it
is a given that replacement will be needed and you can plan ahead. I
don't think that is as much of a concern as the hidden items that we
don't see and can be very costly to replace. Plumbing, adhesives in
laminated beams and the like can be costly to repair or replace.
Just as lead plumbing and other previous practices have, undoubtedly.
The problem is that if don't use modern materials and methods, the cost
to achieve a presently acceptable standard of energy efficiency and
functionality would be completely prohibitive.
There will be some products/techniques that will prove their mettle and
others that will turn out to have been mistakes just like there have
been from the time the first cave had a rock rolled in front for a door.
We won't really know for another 50 or 100 years on some items. We
often build what may be disposable housing compared to what was done
centuries ago. I'd have to think it would be better to build a house
with 75 year life and affordable rather than 500 year life but
impossible for most of us to ever own.
The place I stayed at in Italy has only had a half dozen owners over
the centuries. It is left down to the family over the generations,
thus affordable to live in. Looking at those buildings and available
materials, tools, transportation, I wonder how it was done and who had
that much money.
In the past decade or so, many small non-descript houses have been
torn down to build McMansions. Some were probably serviceable and
affordable for another 50+ years. They just were not up to yuppie
Some things make me chuckle as to how innovative we can be, like when
converting from gaslight to electric light we just ran wires through
the gas lines. In fact, all those thread and fitting sizes used in
electric lamps are a spillover from the gas era. I also remember
taking a short-cut through the boiler room in my high school in
Holland. Lead pipes, asbestos, coal dust and all that shit would shake
loose when they fired up that bad boy when winter came. A little water-
hammer never bother anybody either. That old Ichtus school building is
gone now but I remember every smell and the bullet holes courtesy from
the British as they were strafing the railway, some 300m away from the
school during WW2. I would pay a lot for one those 150+ year old
(maybe even 200?) students desks with inkwell and a slot for a slab of
slate. All of us students had to rub the desk down with linseed oil
the day before we started De Grote Vakantie for the entire summer. But
I digress..... One observation I recall was that there wasn't an
initial or a deep scratch carved in any of those desks.
Are you blind? Did I not say OSB is not designed nor intended to get wet?
And I thought we were talking about houses, here. How many builders do
you know who are using Ipe for studs, joists, subflooring, sheathing, etc?
Please stay in context.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
That's the stuff that worries me, the plastic plumbing that will require the
slab to be jackhammered to be replaced, the stuff held together with
adhesives that is failing a little tiny bit every day. If the house were a
hundred years old at the point where major systems need to be replaced then
everybody got their money's worth, but if it's only thirty years old--yikes.
A lot of commercial buildings these days seem to have a deliberate short
lifespan, nobody expects that strip mall to be around for very long so it
isn't built for the ages, perhaps it's the same way for housing now. The
corporate world seems to want us to throw away everything and buy new stuff
as often as possible, maybe disposable housing is the way of the future.
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