The following article entitled "Old Growth Finds the New World"
relates how old-growth teak is "harvested" from buildings in Thailand:
I can place the entire article in the newsgroup, but I think that the
photos are worth looking at.
Sounds like opportunists posturing as environmentalists. Oh, we are
such wonderful people preserving the planet by offering to haul away
the debris free of charge from the demolition of poor peasant homes.
It costs us no more than shipping (how much for a container from
Thailand to West Coast--$600-$700?). We then sell it for $30 a sq.
ft. (not bd. ft.). Typical tree-hugger mentality. Hey, guys! Sell
it to that fellow who invented the internet.
Actually there is a point--there are all sorts of "recycled" goods
available for more than the price of the same or equivalent goods made
from new materials. If the "recycled" goods were of superior quality
then there might be some purpose to this other than profiting off of the
terminally ecoconscious but usually the "recycled" goods are not of
superior quality and often are considerably inferior.
In the case of the lumber in question while old growth teak may be
superior to new growth teak, generally used lumber has other issues. I
can't see it being _twice_ as good in any case unless there is a very
specialized application or one is making an art object.
I do wonder how much of the current ecosteria is the product of Big
Business trying to create a fad. A lot of solar heating contractors did
well during the Carter administration with his tax breaks for
solar--didn't save any money and if there were any energy savings they
were negligible compared to what could have been achieved by just
upgrading insulation and sealing cracks. I suspect that we're poised
for a repeat, probably with some "low carbon" fad thrown in for good
Are we comparing apples to oranges?
What is the difference between old-growth and new-growth teak?
The salvaged lumber is old growth (perhaps from a logging-restricted
species?) and the prices you guys are quoting is for new-growth. ISTR
that older growth pines have better annular ring patterns ... might the
same be true for teak?
Inquiring minds want to know.
I am disillusioned enough to know that no man's opinion on any subject
is worth a **** unless backed up with enough genuine information to make
: firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
:> The following article entitled "Old Growth Finds the New World":> relates how old-growth teak is "harvested" from buildings in Thailand::> :> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/15/garden/15teak.html :> :> I can place the entire article in the newsgroup, but I think that the:> photos are worth looking at.:> :> Pierre
: Are we comparing apples to oranges?
: What is the difference between old-growth and new-growth teak?
: The salvaged lumber is old growth (perhaps from a logging-restricted
: species?) and the prices you guys are quoting is for new-growth. ISTR
: that older growth pines have better annular ring patterns ... might the
: same be true for teak?
I'm pretty sure what you get for new growth these days is plantation grown,
and is (somewhat at least) less rot resistant, and had broader grain,
than old growth.
-- Andy Barss
Like you, I would wonder exactly what I was getting from both sources.
In 1976 one other person and myself installed about 2000 sq ft of teak
as well as covered all the walls in a bathroom shower area (not the
shower itself) in teak.
This stuff looked like really high grade cocobolo without the blond
streaks right out of the box. It was reddish brown, had no real
perceptible end grain, and it was hard to the point of being brittle.
It was so oily that the finshers cleaned it with lacquer thinner
before apply a long oil finsh.
I was in that house about three years ago and it looks exactly the
same after 30 years of wear.
There are many different species of teak, just like the ubiquitous
rosewood. I think teak is in the rosewood family, and there are
something like 168 different species of teak.
The teak I see for sale today only has the name in common with the old
furniture/yacht grade. It is mostly a medium brown, you can see a lot
of end grain, and it isn't oily at all. This leads me to agree with
Andy, it is almost certainly plantation grown.
Comparing the old teak to the new is like comparing the old heart
pines, loblolly pines, etc., to today's 2X4s.
On 15 Mar 2007 07:25:31 -0700, email@example.com wrote:
REcently I have been buying small lots (less than 50 bd. ft) of teak
in South Florida. For me it's been a hit or miss thing. I try to
avoid the plantation grown (I think most of it comes from tree farms
that were established in Costa Rica about 35 to 40 years ago) but
sometimes I get burned. It will look good on the face but the color
(probably only oxidization but yet it goes about 1/8th into the wood)
disappears if I resaw it. It then goes a bit pithy and the color
turns to the color of red oak. Occasionally I will pick up a few
pieces of good stuff but it is pure luck. I've been staining it to
try to recapture the color it should be.
On the other hand, a few years ago I need a couple of thousand feet
and ordered it from M. L. Condon (primarily a supplier of boat
lumber--been around for at least 50 years). It was true Burmese teak
(tectona grandis). It was all quarter sawn and absolutely a joy to
behold. Of course, just a few years ago shipping was one hell of a
lot less than it is today. As I remember I paid less than $300 to
have the 2000 ft. shipped. I'll bet it would be $1000 today.
For a time there was a South American lumber on the market known as
Gonzalo Alves (sp). I was buying it from a guy in Michigan for less
than $5.00 a bd. ft. It was an incredibly beautiful lumber. The
Gonzalo Alves I see today is nowhere near what I was getting then.
Wish someone would direct me to source for real Burmese teak and some
of the fine striped Golzalo Alves.
Some guy is making a business of selling teak by the board (not the
board foot) on Ebay. He offers no board longer than 6 ft. He is
located in Miami. I sent him an email asking if I could come by and
pick some up. He emailed me back saying he could only ship. Bizarre,
On Mar 16, 7:55 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
foot) on Ebay. He offers no board >longer than 6 ft. He is located in Miami. I
sent him an >email asking if I could come by and pick some up. He >emailed me
back saying he could only ship. Bizarre,
Probably not when you think about it. He may be legit, but he
probably doesn't know what will "fall off the truck" except on a daily
or weekly basis.
I am sure you would be less than impressed to see this dealer of
hardwoods have his stock of three boards on display for sale. If that
were the case, it would be pretty obvious what was going on with his
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