BTW, I flew through ATL a few times this week, and I think I saw some
of the McMansions you were describing a few weeks back.
These neighborhoods are located on the end of the airport where one
flies over the Ford plant and Atlanta Exposition Center. They are
HUGE, extremely close together new homes, located right in the
approach and departure path of the busiest airport in the USA. <G>
On 3/4/2006 1:14 PM Ba r r y mumbled something about the following:
That's a few of the McMansions. There are also quite a few on the north
side as well. I was going to our Buckhead office the other day (North
Atlanta) and passed by some new condos, 3 bedroom, 3 floors, about 1500
sq ft, $500,000 each. Not for me, I'll take my 1400 sq ft doublewide
and 5 acres of land that I paid about $85,000 for.
I'm sure the residents are petitioning the city to get rid of the airport as
we speak. Happens around here all the time. People build their houses off
the end of a runway then claim the noise is ruining their life. Same with
the local dragstrip. Heard a top fueler lately? Why would any sane person by
a house in that area?
I think they'd have some difficulty closing ATL, but I hear those
stories all the time from other general aviation guys about smaller
fields all over the US. Heck, Mayor Daley turned Miegs field in
Chicago into a park in the middle of the night!
The airport was built in 1936, and I built my house in 2005, so CLOSE
the airport! <G>
One of my local GA fields (KMMK) spans two towns, with the southern
town refusing to left them build buildings in the hopes that they'll
go away. The town that hosts the northen end has just offered to
build new hangars and offices, and wisely placed their sewage plant
and dump next door. The northern end keeps growing, along with the
tax revenue from the buildings, while the southern end is just grass,
some lights, and a fence.
FWIW, I live 30 minutes from a former dragstrip that is now the
Consumer Reports test track. It's on a 300 acre property, which the
dragstrip owner sold in bankruptcy. CR added an off-road course and a
skid pad. The residents are thrilled, as CR only runs street legal,
muffled cars, so there isn't much noise.
In all fairness, though, CGX (Meigs) wasn't about noise; Da Mayor just
wanted the land for some more lucrative use. It wasn't a particularly
dangerous airport so far as threats of crashes in the neighborhoods
go, as the approaches were all over water, both north and south.
There was never going to be an instrument approach to it, what with
the Loop buildings so close by. Without an instrument approach and
only about 3500' of runway (if I recall) it was unlikely to ever
attract commercial flights (the straw man of all airport expansion
NIMBY arguments)--even the state airplanes, when they filed into CGX
had to shoot the approach to MDW (Midway), cancel IFR, and then go to
CGX VFR (if they could).
One of my most dramatic memories, other than flying in and out of
there myself, was when United Airlines donated an obsolete Boeing 727
to the Museum of Science and Industry, and they flew it into CGX to
later be barged down to the museum. They pretty well stripped the
airplane, loaded minimum fuel, flew the approach completely dirty (as
they usually do anyway), but at a seriously low speed, and used up
just about all the runway to get it stopped. It wasn't leaving.
Bulldozing that was a shame. Probably the single most recognizable
airport in the world, particularly because of Flight Simulator.
Chicago could/should have milked that for all the publicity it was
worth, rather than depend on a few measly millions for rich people's
Some folks just shouldn't be allowed to apply finishes ... I know because,
being color blind, I feel that way about my own finishing attempts.
I am thinking that Norm mostly needs to stick to paint on curly poplar and
quarter sawn mdf. If I was that rich and famous, damn if I wouldn't hire
someone to do it right.
I watched an episode where 'Nahm' got very expensive slow growth
sinker log wood with the most beautifull grain. Before making the
project, he was quite proud to comment on the value and work required
to retrieve these logs and have them sawn and dried. Then he made
the project piece and painted it with what looked like green fence
Has anyone else noticed that when he uses a 'little' glue, there seems
to be an awfull lot of sqeeze out. I think he gets glue by the drum.
I have learned not to have expectations.
I'm not knocking his work, in fact it's actually quite good - up to
the finishing part, sometimes. I would lay paint on
MDF/plywood/particle board and maybe on a fence board, but not on
expensive woods particularly the ones that are hard to come by.
After how many years of making furniture does one qualify to call
himself a furniture maker (not a master, just a good ol' furniture
Norm's been at it for, what, coming up on 18 years now? Likely his NYW
furniture building gig is sitting pert near 1/2 of his adult wage
earning life. Me thinks he's had enough time and experience at furniture
making to drop that tired old overplayed excuse.
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 09:19:52 -0800, Fly-by-Night CC
C'mon. He makes 13 projects a year, at two days per project. That's 26
days. I don't know where you work, but most people have to put in at
least 250 days to total a year's experience. At 18 years of NYW
production, he doesn't even have two years of actual experience in
I imagine his "This Old House" gig (which has about double or more the
number of episodes per year) takes much more of his time than the NYW
gig, not to mention his "Inside This Old House" appearances, personal
appearances, etc., I don't think he has much time outside NYW
production to work on his furniture making.
I think he does pretty good for only having two years experience.
My understanding is that he usually makes each project three
times -- once to figure out how, a second time to make the prototype
for the show, and then the third, flimed for the show. So that
is six days per episode assuming that the first two are done
as fast as the last, which they probably are not. Then there is
time spent getting materials and hunting for and measuring
originals. So I'd guess that amounts to at least 100 workdays
per year for NYWS.
I doubt that that This old house stuff takes as much of his time per
hour of showtime as does NYWS. Often he just explains what
other people are doing.
I think he has plenty of skill. How he choses to do things may simply
reflect a lot on his personal preferences.
<<I think he has plenty of skill. How he choses to do things may simply
reflect a lot on his personal preferences.>>
And many of those choices are made for him. Keep in mind that while Norm is
the most visible person involved with the New Yankee Workshop, he is not the
boss. Russ Morash is. Most of the furniture Norm builds ends up in one of
Morash's residences, one of which I believe is attached to the Workshop
itself. Another is on Cape Cod or Martha's Vineyard or some other MA
vacation spot. Those are Morash's tools (no doubt provided free by the
manufacturers), although apparently Norm has free reign to do his own
projects in the NYW because that shop is better equipped than his own. And
it is Morash who decides what Norm is going to build and what color it gets
stained. I can't tell you if that decision is based upon his personal taste
or the fact that Minwax puts up some of the dough for the show or, as I
suspect, a bit of both.
To e-mail, replace "bucketofspam" with "dleegordon"
When I saw that episode I immediately checked the wreck for the thread
complaining about it. I'm not shocked at what he did, but I am
shocked it took this long for one to show up :) "dark walnut stain"
is too kind, that may as well have been black paint. Maybe they cut
out the part where he goes "Oh crap, I should have tested on a piece
"It seems to be evening out the color" Uhhh... yep, it's even Norm.
I thought maybe once he brought it out in the sun like he always does
at the end it wouldn't look as dark, but darned if I could see any
grain even then.
But he did use some hand tools making it, that counts for something.
But he also used the "industrial pocket hole machine" so that negates
That's because the episode just aired last Saturday (25 Feb; just five
days ago) on the national PBS feed and some local PBS outlets. Likely
there are very few wreckers that have even seen it yet.
I'm a week behind the national feed in my market (Orlando area) and I
haven't seen it yet, either. By the end of whine season (probably two
of them) I'll be four to five weeks behind.
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