How NOT to build a wall

I'm just finishing the demolition phase of a minor remodeling project in my basement, removing about 8 feet of wall installed by a previous homeowner. This project teaches a lesson:

How NOT to Build a Wall, in Ten Easy Steps

  1. Install the studs at random intervals.
  2. Don't bother securing the bottom plate to the floor. If you cut a few of the studs just a bit long, and force-fit them, friction will keep the bottom plate in place.
  3. Don't bother nailing those studs in place. Friction, remember?
  4. Attach remaining studs to plates with six-penny box nails.
  5. Use eight at each end because they're so small.
  6. It's OK to use untreated lumber for the bottom plate. Water seepage won't harm fir, will it?
  7. Use regular sheetrock for the entire wall. Water seepage won't harm that either, will it?
  8. The doorpost doesn't need to be attached to the bottom plate. The sheetrock will keep it from moving.
  9. Nail the sheetrock every 3 inches along each vertical edge.
  10. That gives you enough nails that you don't need to nail it anywhere else.

And don't _even_ get me started on the electrical code violations I found inside that wall...

Why, oh why, do people with no knowledge or experience of the building trades imagine that they are competent to do their own construction?

Reply to
Doug Miller
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Think I remember doing that job. It was my first day on the job, I was

16, drunk and brand new to being an apprentice. The contractor for the job told me I had two hours to build the wall or I wouldn't get paid.
Reply to
Upscale

I guess if he thought it merely "looked" good enough, someone would buy it.

Reply to
HeyBub

Because Home Depot & Lowe's gave them the idea they were competent.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

Been there done that. Previous owner left behind several mason jars full of mixed screws, seemed odd. Then I started removing stuff that he had built and need eight different bits to take them apart, what a pain in the backside, can't even imagine wanting to build something that way.

Last two or three pieces of his handiwork that I have removed, recip saw, hell with the mess, it is less frustrating.

Reply to
FrozenNorth

Someday, maybe I'll post pictures of some of the electrical outlets in my house. Some are just crooked. In several places, the box itself sticks out

1/4" on one side, so the plates don't fit flush. I asked the previous owner about that when I moved in. He said the boxes stuck out "because of the lath".

Huh? I installed new boxes in plaster/lath walls in my previous house. There's no reason for them to look like they're trying to escape the wall.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

So it's *your* fault!

Reply to
Doug Miller

Well, look at the bright side. The obvious lack of fasteners must have made the demolition job easier.

My last house was full of surprises like this. They obviously thought it was OK. Anything goes. No sense of pride. Total garbage work.

I broke up some concrete in the back yard to expand the garage. Instead of rebar in the concrete, I found parts of an old refrigerator and bread trays from a bakery. Whatever was laying around got used.

Reply to
Lee Michaels

Three magic demolition items:

GR=C4NSFORS

20# Sledge Sawzall

or

Nobel's Finestkind. ( A bit harder to control)

Reply to
Robatoy

A house, 3 doors down from mine, had the entire family room wired with those cheapo 18ga extension cords. They were held in place between the block foundation and the 2x3 studs which were concrete nailed in place. No insulation, no vapour barrier. The studs were then covered with hardboard panelling, no drywall. I have built theatre sets (flats) with more integrity.

Reply to
Robatoy

It's not just building. It's lots of thing. I laugh when I see Lowe's or HD run ads that make some seriously complicated improvements look like any Harriet Homeowner (remember Hechingers?) could do them with a hammer and a screwdriver.

Way back when I did a lot of PC tech support for neighbors and friends I saw some pretty savage things people had done trying to do their own upgrades.

Someone I know had read an article about easy it was to install your own hard disk. This was the age of the ATA66 and 100 hard disk cable standard. While Western Digital's big fold out instructions did make it look easy, it really only covered about 80% of what you might find "under the hood." IOW, it covered only the most basic installations.

By the time I got to the machine, I could find no earthly reason why it would even boot up, but it did. After about 5 minutes. (She had put up with that for five months before calling me!!) She had two *slaves* on one channel, with the right DIP settings, and a master and a slave (CD as master!) on the other channel, with the wrong DIP setting. Drive operations between channels worked, drive operations on the same channel did not.

I should have known right then to walk away. SHE was getting mad at ME for Western Digital not "being honest with her" about how easy it was. I told her they were also forgetting to teach her all about cable types, termination, DIP switch settings, Berg clips, Molex connectors, hard drive capacity limitations, boot sectors, basic electrical theory, why using WD's magic partitioning software was NOT a good idea, how her drive letters would change because of how MicroSoft lays logical volumes, the difference between physical drives and logical drives, the concept of Master and Slave drives (NO RACE COMPLAINTS, PLEASE! ), how important it was to back up ALL her drives before working on even a new one, how to check her work, etc.

In short, WD has failed to teach her how to do nearly everything that ten years of experience makes it seem easy. There was never any admission she was in over her head. This was someone else's fault. She did not know all the things she needed to know and did not even KNOW how deficient her knowledge was!

Putting up a wall must seem the same to some people. At one time, in real life or on TV, they see some master carpenter put up a wall and it looks SO easy. They know they can make all those same motions so off they go, never even bothering to check out a Time-Life book from the library (old world) or Google it on line (new world).

The most obvious giveaway of an amateur wall builder, IMHO, is studs NOT placed on 16" centers, even though most measuring types have specific marks for 16" centers. Next is lack of vertical plumbness. Third is that cluster f_ck of nails that Doug describes in list item 5 that are placed to assure the lowest strength joint possible.

I will have to admit, the first walls I put up at age 16 had their flaws, but they WERE on 16" centers!

-- Bobby G.

Reply to
Robert Green

Yeah, well, you should see the sheetrock taping job a presumably professional builder did in my closet. It's diagonal, not at a right angle to fit against where the wall and ceiling meet.

The first time I used tape it wasn't perfect but it was a hundred times better.

So it's not only amateurs...

Reply to
Shaun Eli

The main thing I did was commercial exterior electrical jobs. Surprised how many repair jobs came from cars hitting concrete pole bases that sheared off. No one told the electrical contractor to use rebar. My favorite is the emergency call to a grocery store where the fork lift is almost 20' in the air keeping the pole from falling over. Not surprising we found the pvc was only 6" under the asphalt.

Mike M

Reply to
Mike M

Well I've never had any training on how to fix or modify PCs, yet over the years (my first PC had an 8088 processor) I've successfully installed hard drives, audio and video cards, power supplies and so on. I think the trick is in being able to honestly gauge what one can or cannot do, and in being able to follow instructions (and know when to call for help). Some people just don't seem set up for that sort of problem solving. I once ran a business where we made good money undoing the "repairs" and "customizing" such folks did....

I find watching someone who knows what he is doing to be way more educational than an instruction manual could possibly be (at least for me). And if you're paying attention you notice things, like the carpenter is driving nails in sort of a criss-cross fashion and without being told why it seems to make sense. I don't know if this building/fixing ability is something we're born with (or without) or if it can be learned, but clearly a lot of otherwise functioning adults don't see to have it. But who knows, the same people who can't figure out how to hook up a hard drive or nail a stud in place probably have other talents--at least I hope so.

Reply to
DGDevin

That one is a keeper, I just told SWMBO about that and she got a hoot out of it. That's up there with the folks who tried to get more paint out of spray cans by heating them in the oven.

Reply to
DGDevin

Roger that. Here in Tucson, I've found that it almost always requires 2 tries for people to get anything right. When I do things myself, I may sometimes have to re-do something, but I'm not claiming to be a professional at that particular task.

Reply to
Mark & Juanita

------------------------------ Guess my area had pretty good contractors including a couple who specialized in roadway work

Standard practice was to set the SonoTubes 36" above grade and tie the anchor bolts to the rebar.

Lost a few car bumpers but no poles in the parking lot.

Lew

Reply to
Lew Hodgett

Was that a quick job cuz the previous home owner had just sold the house? ;~)

Reply to
Leon

What shocks me and is a common practice is to install interior door jams with no nails in the jam. Staples in the jam moldings hold it all in place. They don't need no stinkin shims.

Reply to
Leon

Thats common practice on most new homes today. The rough openings are very tight and they nail right to it then hold it together with the casement trim. I still do it the old fashion way. shim shim shim...

Reply to
Rich

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