After reading posts regarding worktops I thought this might be of interest for some in this ng.
Anyone have any info regarding the following site service/quality/delivery etc.
Compared with prices at other sites I think this might be a good deal.
Thought's ?
ATB
It appears to have peg positions in the places that it should, although it's hard to work out whether it is able to do 45 degree joints. These would be needed to fit an appliance or sink across a corner. It does say that it does corner joints, though, so I would assume that that's what this is.
It also appears to be made from laminated fibreboard, of which I believe Tufnol is the common brand name.
It's difficult to know exactly what a jig can do without looking at the instructions. I think that at that price, I would be inclined to get one, look at it and if it is not suitable, send it back. It's about a third of the price of most others that I've seen.
.andy
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Well spotted!. I guess the dear ones (around£100) are metal and this is only fibre board (MDF??). The first job would be to make a copy in 1/4inch half hard aluminium using a router to follow the profile after the worst has been cut out with a jig saw. This might sound a horrid thing to do with a router but one with decent power and speed control,used slowly with everything clamped up tightly and a bearing guided TCT cutter will do the job. A cheapy cutter will suffice rather than your best Trend one!
You can either use this as your jig for the worktop cuts or use it as a master to make more MDF jigs and flog them on Ebay to defray your original costs and time. The economic viability of this will vary with personal taste and amounts of spare time available!!
Bob
Andy, I'd be surprised if it were Tufnol as this stuff costs an arm and a leg (plus Vat!). I guess MDF could be described as laminated as when it splits it seems to do so into layers.
Bob
Doesn't sound like Tufnol to me, more like plastic faced chipboard or MDF. This could explain the price as Tufnol (as used in the £100 jobs) is quite pricy. For "amateur" use I guess cheaper material would be OK as long as it is a hard laminate (formica type) but I'd be concerned about the durability of ordinary "kitchen cabinet" board.
Um, from their account page:
SILVERLINE TOOLS LIMITED SUPPLIES RETAILERS ONLY. WE DO NOT SUPPLY END USERS DIRECTLY.
I was about to buy one of these jigs, and it appears that I can't.
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If used to make additional jigs I'd say there's no real harm in cutting your master copy in MDF which is cheap compared to aluminium. If you use the MDF version to make 10 copies and it then needs replacing it wouldn't be a big deal.
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Fair point, although it does say "high density" - whatever that means.
Even so, as long as it is accurately made to begin with, even if it does only last for the duration of a DIY kitchen job, that's fair value for money.
.andy
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We use mdf jigs for router applications and they last very well. Usual trouble is them getting nicked with the router bit.
Paul Mc Cann
The Silverline worktop router jigs are made from HDF, laminated on both sides. HTH.
And you can recommend? I need to cut some dumbell slots for connectors. And do they sell to individuals?
The necessary gear to make a proper corner joint is coming down all the while. Since this is Silverline I expect that s/fix will be offering it soon. I would perhaps use this about twice a year. Now there is a sub £100
1/2" router from s/fix the total kit should be around 200 quid (with the biscuits, the clamps, bits etc.).
"laminated fibreboard" is MDF.
I wouldn't feed a worktop into a sub-£100 router. It's a heavy cut on a long cutter. Doing a good job needs rigidity, and that's just what the big, cheap routers are lacking.
If you're working commercially, you can afford £170(ish) on a decent router, like the Freud 2000.
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I guess if I'm going to tool up for corner joints than the extra 70 quid would be worth it. The previous prices of 1/2" routers were all around
250+ mark.
I think so. I've just been cutting some beech worktops for my office with my DeWalt 625. This is their incantation of the well-respected Elu of a few years ago. It is quite similar to the Trend T9 in a lot of ways and also to the CMT 1850 - I believe that they are all made in the same factory in Italy.
I used a postform jig to cut two lengths of worktop with angled ends plus a straight section to go between them to form a corner section and then a triangular piece to complete the corner at the back.
The idea is that I can fit a 21" monitor up into the corner of the room and have a good keyboard and work space in front of it - all ergonomically designed.
I also cut a number of holes for cable tidy fittings.
There was a lot of jig work in all of this - I cut dumbell holes for fixing bolts as well. Added to this, the room is not quite square, so some scribing work was also needed.
The job went well and easily - I was comfortably cutting the material at around 8mm of depth at a time with 12mm and 12.7mm TC cutters.
The machines mentioned are all 1800W types with soft start. On a large machine this is a help to reduce the tendency of the body to rotate.
The Freud machine has been well reviewed and I have been considering getting one to fit permanently in my router table. Screwfix have them for £165 inc. at present. However, I've just noticed that there are several places in the U.S. with them at $200 so I might pick one up on my next trip - £120 is a very good price for this.
.andy
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Won't you get hit with import tax as you bring it thru customs?
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Buy some cheap timber and use it out there throw away the box and it's "2nd hand"...
I'd have thought the voltage would have been more of a problem unless Andy already has a suitable source of 110v...
Nope. You are allowed £145 in "other goods" when entering from a non-EU country, duty and VAT free.
So a £120 purchase would be duty and VAT free. This wouldn't work for internet or other distance purchases. Duty on tools varies between about 1.7% and 2.7% IME, the big amount being VAT.
In practice, I have found the Customs people are pretty fair. For example, if I have returned with, say, up to about £300 worth of stuff, they will typically ask whether I have any alcohol, tobacco or perfume. I never do, so they will often then just let the whole thing go.
Even with larger amounts, they typically only charge the VAT and round the numbers down.
On one occasion I had some computer goods that I had purchased to use in my company. Really you are supposed to do a Merchandise in Baggage declaration but I simply told them what I had. They asked if the company was VAT registered (it is) and then said that they would let the whole thing go because it made no sense to process the paperwork twice (import and reclaim). It wasn't a large amount, but I felt that that was very sensible.
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Devil of a machine is it ? ;-)
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I've had one permanently fixed in a table this few years now. No problems to date. A high speed router spindle for a Felder machine is on the way so this set up will be redundant soon, or maybe not.
Paul Mc Cann
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