I live on the outskirts of the South East - well OK Milton Keynes and
fortunately I don't often need tradesmen. However I'm led to beleive
that plumbers and electricians are like gold dust (and earning big £
if they're any good). So my question is this: Which trade should I get
into Plumbing or sparking ? I am competent at both but sadly always
seem to back the wrong horse!
What are peoples experiences of getting these people in ? (I know you
should be d-i-y ing ;)
What do you think ?
If only it was just money. To do the work, you'll have to work for a
registered company. Registered companies have to work for a year before they
can be registered. Not even Kafka could make this up.
If my understanding of the regulations is correct you do not have to be
registered to do the work but the work needs to be signed off by someone
who is registered. This could be a NICEIC member or, I believe when the
regulations are implemented, you can do the work under a building notice
and get the LA to check the work.
Obviously both these options will cost you money, but these costs can be
factored into the quote. Even if you were registered, the costs of
testing would still have to be allowed for.
So in effect there is nothing to stop you trading using this method
until you have been trading for the required period.
Anyone know any different?
What you say is correct as far as it goes.
However, there appears to be nothing to stop you doing the job and
leaving the onus on the homeowner to get the certification done.
Perhaps not a good idea in so far that if the homeowner doesn't get
the certification and subsequently an accident happens then the blame
fixing game will start.
And after contacting the local council about this, the end result of
asking the council to come out and certify an installation may
actually be the job subcontracted out to an electrician. You might as
well try to form that relationship directly with the electrician is my
Why is it any different from having to have the Building inspector check
the brickwork, footings etc.?
That raises an interesting point, when building an extension and fitting
new sockets and lights will the L.A. Check everything on the same
building notice or do you apply for two different building notices?
On 11 Nov 2003 19:02:28 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Huge) wrote:
Anyone avidly following Dilbert over the years will recognise the essential
synergy between these two occupations in terms of people skills. Although I
think a standard was set in "The Office" that even Scott Adams would
struggle to meet ;-)
I have a vitally important role serving as a bad example.
On 11 Nov 2003 03:21:14 -0800, email@example.com (tzd3sw) wrote:
I practice as a general handyman, but not exactly in your area (I will
do if you pay enough.... ;)). Let me deal with the two trades you
Plumbing. You try getting on a course - they are jam packed full for
the next couple of years, leastways they are around here in the Thames
I was talking to the principal of our local college last week, and
asked him why the college didn't offer plumbing. He said because they
didn't have the square footage to fit the courses in. But more
importantly he advised that he knows heads of other colleges where
plumbing is on the schedule and the consensus of opinion is that in
2-3 years time plumbing will be going through what the IT industry has
been the last couple of years - a shitload of people trained as
plumbers and not enough work. Plus when the new EU legislation kicks
into gear anyone from the very enlarged EU will be able to come and
work in the UK - for a lot less money. Plumbing will be a skill they
will have, or our very helpful government will give them.
End result: Lots of disenfranchised plumbers wandering about wondering
what else they can do to earn a living.
Electrical. In order to practice as an electrician you will need to
acquire your NVQ's, which to the ordinary bloke in the street means an
apprenticeship sponsored by an employer. You'll have to go to college
for 2-3 years. Then you have to become NICEIC registered and buy a
shitload of test equipment (cheapest outfit is about £800). Question
is, can you afford to work for diddly-squat and make cups of tea for
The new electrical regulations which are coming into force within the
next 12 months will most likely prevent you offering electrical
services. These regulations require issuing of certificates on
completion of work. And you try finding an electrician who is willing
to write a certificate on your behalf!
You might be able to get a job in B&Q assisting others with their
purchases, but I fear the days of being able to do odd jobs for others
in order to earn a living are drawing to a close.
Qualifications seem to about right then
How about your mis-management structure? Is that on par with what some of
the other companies have?
Also what systems dont you have in place to deal with non record keeping and
preferably under training?
The skills shortage of the near future (apart from medical) would seem to be
in automotive technical. Newer cars have more and more 'systems' which the
standard mechanic cant (or doesn't want to ) do anything with. Most current
mechanics are too busy earning a living to take time off to retrain. It
seems to be one of these areas, like early IT where a little specialist
knowledge covers 90% of the job. Im not knocking current techies, either.
That may be true. However I have experience of working on the Rover
Testbook software design some years ago.
The problem is getting hold of a Testbook. Without that I don't
believe you can interrogate the onboard systems, let alone adjust
Rover were (and probably still are) very selective about releasing
Testbook to "back street repair outfits". This was to stop the
competition beating them up.
You did say they earn plenty if they're any good. That's just it- I
think the qualities required to be a good tradesman are fairly rare!Most
people IMO have not got the resilience,quick brain(partic for
plumbing&elec)dexterity and coordination to be good enough no matter how
hard they try.
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