The Vulcan bomber - free flypasts

Radio Sheffield did say the Vulcan would be showing off tomorrow on its return to Doncaster at 4pm
And this year it is giving everyone (1) a chance to view it in the sky.
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/salute-to-the-v-force-tour.html
(1) Well not eveyone - but lots more people
As it is the Vulcans last year then it is no longer OT.
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 19:19:38 +0100, ARW wrote:

Later in the yaer I'll be able to see it from my window...
http://goo.gl/nfBtPK
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So what is the issue, just money or what? I'd have thought the gov might like to have this in their historic flight. The money for preserving heritage is surely peanuts when compared to other things. Brian
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Brian-Gaff wrote:

Airframe running out of hours (and not many engines left either IIRC)

I think they've shown almost zero interest, probably because it's not WW2 related.
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On 26/06/2015 21:20, Andy Burns wrote:

Its now getting to the stage of lack of experienced engineers as well as hardware running out of hours. Many of the experts have been coming back out of retirement and this is getting more and more difficult
=======================“We are sure you are asking why this has to be the end of this phase of XH558’s life, particularly as many of you will be aware that we have been trying hard to find a way to extend her life for at least one more season beyond the additional two years (2014-15) that were promised when we completed the wing modification. The answer is that having evaluated a great many factors, the three expert companies on whom we depend – known as the ‘technical authorities’ – have together decided to cease their support at the end of this flying season. Without that support, under Civil Aviation Authority regulations, we are prohibited from flying.
At the heart of their decision are two factors. First, although we are all confident that XH558 is currently as safe as any aircraft flying today, her structure and systems are already more than ten percent beyond the flying hours of any other Vulcan, so knowing where to look for any possible failure is becoming more difficult. These can be thought of as the ‘unknown ’ issues, which can be impossible to predict with any accuracy. Second, maintaining her superb safety record requires expertise that is increasingly difficult to find. Our technical partners already bring specialists out of retirement specifically to work on XH558; a solution that is increasingly impractical for those businesses as the necessary skills become distant in their collective memories. We have recently been made aware that the skills issue is particularly acute as our engines age and will require a considerable amount of additional (and costly) inspection and assessment.”
========================= As for the RAF maintaining and operating the a/c in the historic flight, unfortunately its systems are way more complex than those currently operated and I suspect that the RAF don't have the necessary skill sets even if they had the money.
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Suppose thats becoming the case. I hear that the BBC and BT have had to get people out of retirement to repair older systems and equipment's so its not too surprising.
I think this its mainly a financial issue by the companies involved. One of them is Marshal aerospace and it, I'm sure, would involve training staff to cope with just the one now elderly and unique aircraft and to certify that to the high standard that Aviation involves.
Let alone the engines. Is it anywhere near reasonable to expect firms like Rolls Royce to still make spares and be able to overhaul engines at anything like a reasonable cost they'd have to certify a number of components and train staff to make and refurb them all for the one Aircraft?.

I suppose the BBMF is a differing case Several flying Spitfires are around still, and although theres only the Two remaining flying Lancaster's I bet there're a lot simpler in airframe, and the Merlin engines suppose they still keep those on refurb capability as theres more of them around?.
Still I hope shes around for the new season I remember sometime ago she took off from Marshals in Cambridge and flew over our house. I was bedridden at that time with a broken leg and just couldn't got up and go out to see just what had caused that NOISE!!
It prolly didn't need to carry bombs, that howl and the sound would have beaten any enemy into submission I'd reckon:!!..
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On 27/06/2015 15:53, tony sayer wrote:

The last flight *ever* is this year. Rumoured to be a display over Doncaster Racecourse in October.
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Yes well 2015;).. You know what I mean;)..
Surprised to see shes not putting in any appearances at Duxford at all unless I've misread the schedule?.
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They are doing a fly past tomorrow (sun 28th) as part of the Salute the V force tours.
And it's in the Airshow at the Shuttleworth next weekend.
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On 27/06/2015 16:21, tony sayer wrote:

There's a possibility - they're still adding dates.
Trouble is, all displays listed so far, other than one in Scottishland (plus a flypast at Durham on the way to Dunsfold - how does that work?), are 'darn sarf'.
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tony sayer wrote:

Well in BT's case they made a fanfare about replacing all the exchange kit with 21CN while keeping the last mile analogue so the end-user equipment can stay the same ... other than the Welsh trial area have they actually replaced SystemX/Y exchanges? I don't think so ...
Now they're making noises about persuading people to going straight to VoIP ... I think they need to consider availability and reliability of ADSL/VDSL first, or put voice kit in the new green cabinets (and make sure the batteries are replaced before they die).
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Yes we have adopted VoIP here and very good it is too, and we don't need a BT line for that either.
It comes via VM over co-ax cable and is faster than what BT can, even on Infinity Fibre supply us with:)..
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On 27/06/2015 16:19, tony sayer wrote:

I setup a 150Mb virgin connection for a customer on Friday... Found the 2830 router could not actually handle the full data rate incoming ;-)
Straight out of the cable modem:
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4461257865
(although I realised later that I still had QoS turned on - so with that off, it may be able to handle some more throughput)
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On 27/06/2015 16:09, Andy Burns wrote:

We had DSL cards with voice over IP and/or 2M lines years ago. You put them in the street cabinet and they looked like a concentrator with the 2M links or VoIP if you wanted.
It would have been installed by now if T Bliar hadn't cocked up the UK telecoms industry.
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dennis@home wrote:

I don't doubt it.

Regardless of Mr Blair's efforts, ECI and Huawei also have POTS shelves as part of their MSAN offering, nevertheless BT seem to have decided against them.
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On 27/06/2015 19:04, Andy Burns wrote:

Yes they do now, they didn't when we had, but T Blair cocked everything up and delayed BT investment so the Chinese had time to develop cheaper kit. The UK just couldn't compete.
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On 26/06/2015 21:20, Andy Burns wrote:

No, the airframe has more hours left since they did the wing mod. It's engine hours they're running out of.
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On 26/06/2015 20:53, Bob Eager wrote:

At Fairford July 16 to 19th
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Bob Eager wrote:

Mine too in September (well probably garden rather than window) but I'll try to nip to Brunty on Sunday ...
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 21:14:23 +0100

I should be able to see it from Eye Airfield this Sunday as it passes between Southend and Norwich.
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