OT: Using ammonia as a fuel

The same chemistry teacher who demonstrated the cool flame also showed us the ammonium dichromate volcano, except that instead of using a few grams of the stuff, he emptied out half a jar onto the bench top, stuck a bit of magnesium ribbon in the top of the pile, and lit it. Unlike for firework instructions, he didn't 'retire immediately', the heap went up with a whoosh, and he was covered with green chromium trioxide snow. With a rather surprised expression on his face he said 'Wham, it reacts!'. It has stuck in my mind ever since.

I think he was fresh out of teacher training college and hadn't yet got too much experience of lab demos of many things. I wonder if he survived the long-term toxicity.

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Chris Hogg
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Hydrogen burns with an invisible flame. Most of the flame you see on exploding airships is due to the burning of the materials its made of. I do remember the demo for that. You need to regulate the mix of hydrogen or you end up with a big bang, but I guess that applies to most stuff. Ammonia is extremely dangerous if you breathe in its fumes. Its used as a coolant on the ISS for the outside radiators, and if they are ever servicing those as they do get issues, they have to be very careful not to bring frozen ammonia into the main cabin as it can poison filters and is a dangerous substance to humans. Its interesting, as we used to use a lot of it in technical drawing copy equipment as a developer. The place stank, even with all the extractors and regulation gear installed.

I'm assuming its the vapour then, not the actual liquid that you can burn? Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa

So what is the by product then? One assumes if you need air, then ammonia has to produce something else. NH3, I should know what that is made of, but my brain is a lot older than it was! Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa

Well that's no good then, is it, as that pollutant we are trying to remove from the air in towns as it is. Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa

How many supertankers do you get in Kingston high street?

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Andy Burns

Its the carbon again and of course the nox that is at issue. We are busy cutting down trees and destroying the natural world of plants where carbon is stored and then wondering why we have a lot of co2 hanging about, I mean like Der?

Rocket science it is not. Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa

You reminded me of mercuric thiocyanate - the beloved "Pharoah's Serpent" of indoor fireworks fame. The wiki on that says it can burn with a blue flame.

You might find this of interest:

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)It's a combination of the two chemicals. I can only wonder whether you are liable to be immediately poisoned by the cyanogen released from the mercuric thiocyanate decomposition, a longer-term mercury poisoning, or very long tern chromium toxicity/carcinogenicity!

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Jeff Layman

Anhydrous ammonia gas or liquefies at -33C & 1bar.

It is fantastically soluble in water ~50% w/w at 0C.

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Martin Brown

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