Living without electricity

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In the early days of our climbing hut we carried the bottles on a pack frame (the standard size ones, not the over large tall thin ones) but that was little more than three quarters of a mile but is was a bit up hill.

The only small generators I have seen have been petrol and red petrol is unobtainable. :-)

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Roger Chapman
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depends on the shape of the beach.

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charles

Wave power comes from the deeper water swell off shore, not breaking waves on a beach with the water level going up and down with the tide...

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Dave Liquorice

You might be looking at it. You certainly wouldn't be using it.

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The Natural Philosopher

depends on the depth of your pocket and stupidity.

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The Natural Philosopher

Small diesels set are about, we have a 2 kVA one but it's frigging noisy.

Also being small and lightly loaded it's not very effcient, the last outage we had (36 hours) it drank about a litre of red an hour, powering a fridge freezer, upright freezer, CH system(*) and fish tank pump. Peak load in the order of 500W.

If you jump through the right hoops with HMRC you can claim the duty back.

(*) CH system takes around 300W all running, 4 pumps & oil boiler.

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Dave Liquorice

But quite usefull when off grid. How much do those old Russian RTG's cost on eBay? B-)

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Dave Liquorice

You can .. with the right gubbins, receive BB off a mobile phone system thats if theres a 3G one not "that" far away..

Or satellite broadband, not the best but usable if all else fails....

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tony sayer

The local Spar garage has 25 l drums at 98p/l. The last lot I bought from the garage across the road from Spar was 90p/l but that was back in Dec '11.

I'd expect red to be around 73p/l *minimum* these days based on 28 sec heating oil being 60p/l and adding the 11p/l duty and VAT.

That is a very big if in the context of the location in this thread. B-)

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Dave Liquorice

Already been there, done that. And after a decade it gets a bit wearing so I paid the huge bills necessary to lay on electricity, water and to provide foul water drainage and rainwater storage.

In the period before that I used solar panels (thermal and PV) for a time to provide hot showers and low voltage lighting. We also had a number of generators starting with a 750VA two-stroke, then a 2300VA frame generator and finally a 5500VA "silent" diesel generator. Only the last was really suitable as a substitute for mains. It can be run on heating oil which is cheaper than diesel. Budget about a thousand to £1500 for something similar.

But believe me toting fuel around, filling tanks, fetching gas cylinders gets to be a PITA. It doesn't seem to matter how you plan there are always days when you run out and usually at times when all the suppliers are closed.

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Steve Firth

If I didn't have a stream for hydro power, obviously I'd have a wood-burning steam engine driving a generator.

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Matty F

And where does thewood come from?

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The Natural Philosopher

As does the Tan Hill Inn

Bill

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Bill Wright

IP over avian carriers, there is a real rfc to define that.

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dennis

Indeed. Most people seem to have found it :-)

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I'm not really serious, but on some levels it is attractive.

Looking at the brochure (link in description above), which includes both floor plan and map, that 80 acres includes a lot of trees. More than enough to supply me with wood for the rest of my life. However, what is doable now (age 61) gets less so as the years pass. Would I want to be doing it at 70? 80?

Looking at the map and Google Earth, the track does indeed look like a track, with limited, if any, vehicular access, even for a 4x4 or tractor. Quad bike and trailer, perhaps? Imagine moving house. Imagine moving all your possessions, the last mile on foot.

Interesting to note that the bathroom is described as a wash house, and access is only available from outside the building.

Someone mentioned a washing machine. I told wifey I would buy her a washboard. She could do the washing and form a skiffle band.

Did you notice the lime store? Presumably for treating 'waste materials'.

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News

time?

In this case imported from main land Scotland and either carried overland along the mountain path or if still in good sized logs made into a raft and floated around the coast when the weather allows. they would then need moved up to the cottage, cut and split.

Another thought is one of the small CHP plants and a big battery bank to to buffer any excess lecky. Still need to carry in the fuel though...

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Dave Liquorice

Did you not see "Lord of the Rings" or "Top if the Lake"? If there's one resource New Zealand has, it's trees.

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Steve Firth

In article , News scribeth thus

Exact location..

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Does the lighthouse have power at all?, wonder if it does and is still operational you might come to some arrangement, otherwise its a bloody sight more away then I'd want to trek and its 255 grand!...

Ah!, hang on are those solar panels on the lighthouse at the bottom entrance?..

Else 779 metres straight line from the nearest other housing wonder how many leccy poles that'd be?..

Why didn't they put the lighthouse just up onto the top of the cliff surely that would have "shined" out further and been easier to access?..

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tony sayer

Almost certainly not but it would keep you fit and active. Half the problem with "old age" is not keeping active.

Think you might struggle with a a quad. Compare the width of the tracks used by vehicles down near where the lighthouse track leaves them. Quads have about a 4' track cars about 6' both leave two parallel tyre marks. There only appears to be a single track about the width of a single car tyre mark.

As I've said access is the major stumbling block. Dealing with the lack of mains electricity and space heating are not insurmountable but require significant effort compared to simply pressing an "on" switch.

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Nice in the winter, with snow drifts up the the doors. B-)

And what was the response, surprised you are still able to post. B-)

Linking up with the CHP/RTG/Wind/Tidal/Hydro and BFO battery bank and say a 5 kW inverter one might be able to use an ordinary washing machine. Just be careful not to put the 3 kW rapid boil kettle on at the same time as the washing machine is heating water. It'll deplete the battery but if you are chucking 1 kW from all sources into it

24/7 you have 24 kWHr/day to play with. That's more than we use a day (excluding electric space heating).

Seems a bit excessive, brick septic tank(s) with the outflow piped to the sea. But you wouldn't be allowed to do that now, it would have to be an aerobic digester which requires power to pump the air and turn the stirrer...

Solar powered with a BFO battery bank. Like almost all remote lighthouses are these days.

The poles on our 11 kV feed are about 100 m apart.

Presumably so that it marks the rocks that it is built on that stick out from an otherwise fairly uniform curved bit of coast.

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Dave Liquorice

By boat, possibly, which could moor alongside the access wall from the house to the lighthouse at high tide. I'd say that was how Trinity House got the supplies in when the lighthouse was staffed. It's hard to tell from the pictures shown, but I'd hazard a guess at being able to get anything up to four feet of draught alongside the wall at the right high tide. There's certainly a reasonable drying anchorage for a boat there.

If all else failed, a jetty could be built near the lighthouse, if there isn't already one there.

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John Williamson

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