Is there a reference describing, briefly but terrifyingly, the folly of plugging a continental (or other alien) mains plug into a standard domestic 13A socket?

[Andy Burns]

Anything with a 2-pin europlug, by definition doesn't need an earth, so you can't make it safer by providing one ...

[tabbypurr]

• according to the requirements in its country of origin, which may be a lot more lax than ours. And that's if it ever met da rules to begin with.

The new metal plug-in heater springs to mind on a 2 conductor flex. An internal live connection was made very close to the case, if it had ever been pressed in someone would be having an electrifying evening.

NT

[dennis]

Very similar if not the same ones. It was a long time ago.

Possibly.

[Terry Casey]

Horrible things!

We saw lots of these because they wete used on a large LCC overspill estate not far from us. I think they were popular with several councils.

Only D&S could make the plugs, so were expensive - and an unexpected high cost for tenants moving in fot the first time.

We assumed that D&S sold them to the councils at a knock down price to make them attractive, knowing that they would back a hefty profit on plug sales.

One particularly nasty thing about them was that the fuses has a habit of working loose. If this wasn't spotted, then one day an appliance would be unplugged leaving the live fuse potruding from the socket!

[charles]

it wasn't just councils since Selfridges used to sell the fuses. I can't see many council house tenants goingb into Selfridges - even as it was.

[Terry Casey]

I can understand why someone from Europe who may, at some stage, plan to returnthere not wishing to cut off all their moulded Euro and Schuko plugs so, perhaps you should consider how best to accomodate that desire in a safe manner.

Europlugs are easily dealt with using a special 13A adaptor that accepts the Europlug and is then screwed shut.

I posted a link to one of these earlier.

You now have a correctly fused plug and as a Europlug should only be used with a double insulated device, no earthing is required.

Here is another type of adaptor:

or: Which safely connects a Schuko or modified Schuko plug to a

13A socket. Again it is fused but also ensures that the device is correctly earthed.

They fit the Schuko plug tightly and the socket is correctly recessed.

We have a Braun coffee machine in our kitchen which we bought in Belgium several years ago. It has been plugged into one of these adaptors ever since.

Our electrician must have seen it on several ocassions - it 'lives' just below the consumer unit - and has never passed comment on it.

Surely a combination of these two types of adaptor is all that you need to ensure that devices are correctly connected, fused and earthed, if necessary?

As for forcing Europlugs into 13A sockets, if they are all inside a closed convertor, that can't happen.

[dennis]

IIRC its actually illegal not to supply a suitable adapter if a BS1363 plug isn't fitted. One of those silly shaver adapters doesn't comply.

[Andrew]

Are there any standards for boat wiring though ?.

[Andrew]

Or Brexit :-)

[Terry Casey]

I think you said in a previous post that a Europlug and adaptor combination was too long for the available space which why I pointed you to the right angled plug/adaptor combination.

I'm not sure if you are confusing Europlugs with Schuko connectors. If you are, the Schuko adaptor above won't work but there are right angled plug/adaptors for Schuko as well.

Take a look at:

This connects the earth contacts of the Schuko to the earth pin of the plug and is rated at the full 13A but beware, there are are some similar connectors available which do not connect the earth - they usually have a plastic earth pin. Be careful to avoid these.

If your neighbour uses any of the adaptors I've pointed to in whatever combination is most convenient, there will be no adaptation of the mains wiring or the devices used, earthing will be maintained where necessary and safety preserved.

Does this answer your original question and allay all of your fears?

[rmlaws54]

Am I right in thinking that on the continient this risk is always be present because they don't have fuses in the appliance plug but the sockets are not rated signficiantly below 13A IIRC. I mean, apart from the 'misfitting' risk.

Robert

[rmlaws54]

I meant 32A no 13A sorry. R

[John Rumm]

They typically wire socket circuits as 16A radials, with a small number of sockets per circuit. So the MCB at the origin of the circuit is responsible for provision of fault protection right the way through to the end of the appliance's flex. So no real additional risk over that resulting from other factors.

[tabbypurr]

no, they have radials on 16A mcbs in the CU like we did in the old roundpin system

NT

[Dr S Lartius]

This is primarily to say that I have by no means lost interest in this matter, but I have been much distracted by the recent heat and still am by various unconnected events.

I have an adapter for a 13A socket to two two-round-pin 5A sockets and one three-round-pin 5A sockets - I use it when my thermally-protected shaver socket, mounted on an East-facing upper outer wall, is not working because of the morning sun's heat on that wall. The Europlug fits nicely into live and neutral of the three-pin socket - very slightly loosely, but I would be happy to use that connection briefly to see whether the aforementioned oven would actually work at low power. The Europlug will be cut off before the oven leaves my control.

[Terry Casey]

I thought you were concerned about safety!

Why don't you use the correct adaptor for the job - two of those I posted about earlier will be suitable - the fact that it is a loose fit should alert you to the danger of overheating.

What on earth is a Europlug doing on an oven?

The Europlug is a 2-pin plug designed for a maximum current of

2.5 amps! Contrary to the good safety intentions expressed in your original post, you now seem determined to find the most dangerous ways of doing things.

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