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How the hell did the vultures miss this ?

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you are the only one who has

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Me, a vulture?

I rather think not ...

who posted it and when then ?

Reply to
geoff

are these the so called cleant types. One thing does worry me about all these technologies to clean the burning of coal up and that is where do you then put all the polution you stopped going up the chimney?

BBrian

Reply to
Brian Gaff

Nope. At least not as far as Carbon Capture and Sequestration is concerned. They probably have the sulphur/nitrogen oxide/particulate scrubbers in the flue gas path though.

But is anyone really surprised? The Germans *have* to find something to replace the nukes they shutdown. Wish the bloody greens would make their collective minds up:

"You can't have coal because it produces too much pollution and CO2". "You can't have nukes in case there is a tsunami in central Germany". "Oh shit the lights are going to go out, better build some power stations." "What fuel? Germany has little gas but loads of lignite." "Better make 'em lignite powered then and hope nobody notices that lignite is brown coal, a poor quality and dirty fuel."

No one has worked that bit out yet, not that they really know how to capture the carbon in the first place at least not on the scale that a half decent power station requires. For "disposal" they might try pumping it down exhausted oil/gas wells.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Maybe they do the same as on modern diesel cars, the DPF captures the 'evil' stuff when driving slowly around town, and dumps it out in one big cloud when you are on a motorway/dual carriageway (hopefully not one of them that run through towns and cities)

So perhaps they ensure no smoke or naughty bits escape during the day, and on a moonless night press a button that sends a great cloud of the crap out the stack when no one is looking.

Reply to
Gazz

All this "green energy" the Germans have been foisting on us via the EEC is a clever plan to take over Europe, they will be the only country with enough energy to compete!

Reply to
Broadback

from ze link:-

"It is worth noting that none of these coal or gas plants will be built with Carbon Capture & Storage (CCS), which is a legal requirement for coal generators in the UK, despite the fact that the technology does not yet exist on a commercial scale."

WTF is that all about?

Jim K

Reply to
Jim K

Well..its complex.

1/. Britain is closing *old* coal because of the LCP directive which isn't about carbon capture but sulphur emissions.

2/. Britain is not building any *new* coal, because a carbon emission limit has been stuck on them, meaning they either have to run half power or be fitted with CCS.

I am not sure whether 2/. is law yet, but its in the energy bill more or less.

The while of DECC is a nightmare tug of war between common sense and osborne, incompetent Tories and a liberal/green agenda that says it wants stuff, but is determined to not have it by torpedoing it.

Energy policy has been the greatest victory for the lib dems: hey have totally guaranteed nothing except windmills is worth building and since those wont actually run a grid, it will be lights out 2015.

The liberal democrats do not actually have an energy policy. They have a climate change policy. All that I could find in it was 'lots of renewables and no nuclear'. I think it was written by Greenpeace.

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The Natural Philosopher

Reply to
The Other Mike

A bit of mutual appreciation going on ...

Reply to
Andy Burns

well at least they had the decency to attribute my site :-(

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Don't knock it, the fact that Gridwatch presents publicly available information in a simple and easy to understand form is excellent.

Gridwatch is a *very* big eye opener for those that have got the impression that the UK gets most of it's electricity from almost anywhere other than coal and gas. Some are genuinely shocked when you break the sources down as percentages of demand:

1240 ish today demand 35.85 GW:

Coal 40.1% Gas 28.0% Nuke 19.3% Nett interconnects 6.1% Hydro 3.4% Wind 1.3% Biomass 0.8%

The smarted eyed will notice that adds up to 99% but that's close enough given rounding errors etc.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

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