You can cut diagonal timber herringbone easily with a mitre saw.. probably cheaper since it only needs to be quite skinny. The slight advantage of the galvanised stuff is it takes less height and hence can be simpler to get pipes past.
from top of one joist to bottom of next, likewise bootom of same joist to top, makes an X between joists, makes em stiff as F*&K
Houses are full of covered up shoddiness.
Herringbone struts are far superior to solid noggins but will take bit longer to put in. The problem with solid bracing is that an shrinkage in the joists will cause the noggins to loosen causing sqeak etc, whereas with herringbone stuts any joist shrinkage ( which i mostly across the grain i.e. reducing the depth ) will actually tighte the struts. I've recently had to take up two different wooden floors an then glue wedges into solid noggins to stop them sqeaking. Its a fac that a lot of sqeaking floors can be traced to poorly fitting soli bracing
-- Nick H
Properly installed herringbone stutting will also stiffen the floor. It is effectively a solid nogging, with all the redundant wood removed, and only the actually stressed bits remaining.
Obviously, supporting boards is another matter!
Christian.
Not quite, as others have pointed out, joist shrinkage or strut shrinkage is more easily accommodated than with a solid noggin - assuming the things are screwed down tightly.
Please sir! I mentioned it first!
Christian.
cutting, less precision required) 4. Easier to run cables/pipework. 5. Less susceptible to expansion/contraction.
I absolutely agree christian, I believe they work as racking strut far more than a full depth timber strut, Ive had many complaints in the past of full depth struts causing squeaking, this is mainly due to caps that can occur in wide timber, the herringbone rules this out completely as its fitted tightly from top to bottom and vice versa, its a no brainer
you need a sane portal to this newsgroup. The one you're using isn't.
NT
I see your reply appeared on the web page but I wonder how long will it will stay there. Do their mods censor replies they don't like?
I replied to tabbypurr on the web page, saying that as Vince didn't see that he was replying 10 years too late he wouldn't understand "portal" or "newsgroup", but as my text included "HomeOwnersClub is an evil organisation that steals posts from other groups", I doubt it will be approved. It looks like their mods didn't understand "portal" either.
They are evil because they provide such a crap interface and resurrect ancient messages to generate traffic. I don't see how they can "steal" something that was freely given and in the public domain.
Tim
Maybe "steal" is the wrong word. Certainly they don't declare their source, and pass it off as their own.
You can buy ready made metal ones.
Silentfloor joists even better
Ah. Noisy modern floors. I don't recall tongue and groove flooring being noisy until they introduced chipboard.
Is there a way round this? Glue? Screws? Talcum powder?
They don't resurrect ancient messages. They post them up in much the same way google groups does - with the date clearly posted at the top.
It's their users who can't understand dates.
Andy
Wrong. They do. Just have a look at the website and you'll see ancient posts being promoted as top posts or unanswered question with no reference to the age of the messages they're promoting.
Only when you look past the front few pages. They most definitely DO promote old messages to generate traffic.
Do you really think that all the numpties responding to ancient threads are doing so because they don't know how to read dates? No, it's because HOH is deliberately making it hard to see the dates and/or promoting old threads. Sure, there will be a few numpties but it's clear that the majority or responders have no idea that they're responding to old messages.
Tim
Go in via their home page and you will see a scrolling list of questions with no indication of the date they were posted. Its only later that users of that site are given any indication that the question may have been posted 10 or 15 years earlier.
The site promotes historic questions as though they were posted yesterday.
There is also another list of topics titled ' do have answers to these questions' with no dates at all given
I stand (sit?) corrected.
Andy
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