Best way to complain - and get some money back.

I bought a kit of the rigid brake pipes for a car from Ebay. UK maker and supplier. Not cheap, either. I bought the kit to save time over making them myself, as I've done before. About a dozen pipes in total.

On removing the old to use as a pattern to bend up the new, the first one I did was over length. Thinking it likely just the one, cut it down to size. But it proved to be all of them. The worst, 360mm too long. Impossible to 'lose' that and still have a neat result. The pipes came coiled. Very difficult to measure the length of the old pipes accurately, given the multitude of bends. By the time I'd discovered they were all too long and would need cutting, too late to send them back in a re-saleable condition.

Other thing was two had the wrong unions. Which again had to be rectified. They's also used longer unions (made from brass) than the originals which were steel. And in one place made it very tricky to fit without further dismantling.

Final thing was the supplied clips totally useless. They are meant to clip into a 6mm hole and secure the pipes. They simply fell out of a 6mm hole, and I had to source decent ones, as a few originals on the car broke when removing the old pipes.

Contacted both the supplier and maker. Got the usual run around. Anything other than admit liability.

Offer so far is a 10% refund of the purchase price from the seller and a discount code for any future purchases from the maker. Which simply doesn't cover my extra costs - let alone the labour involved in altering them to fit.

Any tips on how to screw a reasonable refund out of them? The very least I'd expect is the difference between factory and retail price.

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Dave Plowman (News
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Dave Plowman (News) explained :

Reasonable for them, though perhaps not for you would be 50%. It sounds as if they have just taken a rough measure of them, made them up and posted them. I have never bought ready made and never would, they are just as easy to buy a roll, plus ends and make the ends off yourself and they will at least be correct.

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Harry Bloomfield, Esq.

If you were to open an ebay case on the basis of 'not as described', ebay would ask that you send them back and issue a refund based on the tracking number.

It's a bit of an ethical dilemma whether it's right to send them back in a non-saleable condition, but odds are ebay would find in your favour. And you could argue that the seller has already tried to dodge their responsibility and have left you no choice.

I suppose this was an off-the-shelf kit, rather than something made to your order? If it was made to order and made incorrectly all you're posting back is some scrap metal, since they can't reuse it for something else, and I'd have no qualms about having modified that further.

Often car parts suppliers ask for a reg or a VIN to confirm fitment - did they do that in this case?

Theo

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Theo

I somehow doubt that a Rover SD1 would be in their database (although I could be wrong).

Tim

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Tim+

"Dave Plowman (News)" snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk:

Just neg the f'ckr and be done with it. Keep it short and objective.

If that then prompts an offer of a decent partial refund then ask for it to be applied before you alter your feedback and then leave the neg standing as a lesson that he should have been more reasonable in the first place.

Whatever you do don't word any messages in such a way that could be considered feedback extortion as he will be able to have the FB pulled easily.

I assume you know the keywords to avoid in feedback that would make it easy to have a neg removed. Not all are obvious.

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Peter Burke

According to them, they were given the pipe dimensions etc by an owner of the same car as mine. As if that resolved them from any responsibility.

The reason I bought ready made was I was paying a neighbour to help me fit them - crawling underneath the car etc. Had I been young enough to do it all on my own, I would have.

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Dave Plowman (News

They are now fitted. So can't send them back.

It was advertised on Ebay as a kit for my actual make and model. When I complained about the poor fit they asked for the part number on the box - to make sure it wasn't just simply the wrong kit.

No real need. The model used just two different braking systems in its production run (as regards the pipes). And my late car has extra pipework for the different dual circuit brakes. This kit obviously included those.

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Dave Plowman (News

I dunno. It could be aftermarket spares makers source the original specs for things. Or copy genuine spares.

In this case they say an owner of my car model supplied the dimensions. With the pipes still on the car, a very difficult thing to measure, given poor access and the multitude of bends. The way I'd do it would be to tape a bit of non stretchy string along the entire pipe, and then remove and measure that.

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Dave Plowman (News

Quite a lot of known unknowns there: is this a UK seller? was it a business to consumer or business to business sale? did the seller warrant the kit was ready-to-fit to your precise make/model/year/variant of car or just to send you what the other bloke had measured? when did you first contact the seller to express dissatisfaction and what did they offer you then by way or repair or replacement or return for refund?

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Robin

Suggest you may tend to mention them on social media can be quite good, but not tried it with such a specialist item as yours I have to say, they may make the item to fit several models, unknowingly it could be that your vehicle is a variant they did not know existed. That is the trouble with spares from third parties. It even happens wit semiconductors that hiss too much or now are only produced in one package not the original one needing bodges etc. Brian

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Brian Gaff (Sofa

Both the maker and retailer are UK based.

Ebay sale to an ordinary punter, ie me.

It was advertised as being a kit for my make and model. I was told about 'the other bloke giving the dimensions' when I complained they didn't fit.

The usual offer of a replacement or refund if returned. Given the replacement would be the same, no point. Return not possible as I'd already shortened a pipe. Thinking it was a one off fault - not all of them. And impossible to know they are wrong until you attempt to fit them. Buy which time there would be no point in attempting to return them. Apart from as scrap.

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Dave Plowman (News

Not so. They were specifically listed - in the headline of the ad - for my make and model. If you think about it, every single model of car ever made will have individual and special to it pipes.

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Dave Plowman (News

That helps. But ISTM your position in seeking compensation now is weakened if you not only ignored the way the first pipe did not fit before contacting them but then continued to fettle all the others before sorting out what compensation (if any) they'd offer. You appear to have failed to exercise your right to reject the goods and also denied the seller the right to repair. (They might say they would have collected and shortened the pipes for you.) I don't have a clue where that would leave you in a claim. You could ask in uk.legal moderated. And as usual if your claim is for a modest amount they may well cough up to avoid the bother and cost of contesting a case.

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Robin

+1 Although that is possibly infeasible if the car was in pieces on the ramp and the garage needed their ramp back for the next customer. Putting it back together again and then doing the job another day may end up costing more than bodging it today.

I'd probably be looking to recover my extra costs (eg extra garage time bodging it) against the cost of the item. In the face of a claim like that, the supplier might decide to write off the cost of the item in lieu of paying costs.

There is probably case law about this, but IANAL.

Theo

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Theo

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