American electrics

[Martin Angove]

This is an interesting idea, and since this thread is already up to a couple of hundred posts, anyone mind if I take it to a new thread?

Hwyl!

M.

[:::Jerry::::]

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Exactly !....

That's the point, anyone without any knowledge, expertise or understanding can *easily* abuse the protection device within a BS1363 plug, it's all but designed to be worked on by such people - modern moulded on plugs don't even need the use of a tool (as in unfastening)to access the fuse.

No, just ignorant people living in 'house-holds' were they are all technically challenged - why do you think it was made mandatory (in the UK) for new appliances etc. to come ready fitted with a BS1363 plug - it wasn't people objecting to having to buy a plug on top of the appliance purchase price.

Anyway, hasn't there some dodgy wiring / connectors used in TV industry over the years?....

[Dave Plowman (News)]

It certainly was. And since the 13 amp plug wasn't universal - and still isn't - makers would save any pennies they could. And then there's the fact that not everyone can wire up a plug correctly - can you just imagined Drivel trying with nothing but his hacksaw?

Yes. Plenty. But that doesn't alter the fact that the 13 amp system is ideal for *domestic* use.

[:::Jerry::::]

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BS1363

Yes I can, and the BS1363 plug allows such people to use a hacksaw (or knife) blade to access the fuse...

Any system is 'ideal', it's whether it's the best, safest or the most appropriate. At the time that the 30A ring and BS1363 type plugs and sockets were established as the 'default' for final power circuits it was the best, safest, and most appropriate, what I'm questioning is whether it still is.

[Doctor Drivel]

What he is clearly telling you, is that with a radial circuit a idiot user cannot by-pass the protection, as often happens on 30A ring when the fuse blows and they don't have a spare. The temporary measure of a piece of copper end a permanent one. That is clear. Boy are you dumb. So take that copper wire out of your 13A plugs now.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

That's because there isn't any for the appliance on a radial, unless you also use a fused plug. Don't you understand even the basics? The fuse in the plug protects the appliance wiring. That in the CU, the house wiring. Unless you want dedicated radials for each and every appliance, correctly sized.

So you think everyone has a supply of pieces of copper but not spare fuses?

You seem an expert on doing this. Another use for your hacksaw - cutting up copper rod to make fuses. Oblivious of the fact that it costs more than fuses which can be bought at any 24 hour convenience store.

Knowing your electrical 'knowledge' you probably think a lump of copper will let through more electricity than a fuse, and improve the performance of your cheap rubbish power tools.

[Doctor Drivel]

You don't say......Wow!!!!!

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

Ah - so you now understand this unlike your drivel about feeding a CU in a garage?

Glad to know you do learn - sometimes. But best not to play with electricity until you understand a great deal more, there's a chap.

[:::Jerry::::]

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spare fuses?

The point is, it's possible, that the point - and the idiots don't need anything more than a tea-spoon to gain access to do it with these moulded on plugs now...

Perhaps moulded on plugs should be banned and the two halves of the plug be held together with a security fixing [1], then at least idiots have got to source the correct tool...

[1] of a type that can be removed with the correct tool

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Some don't need any tools at all.

But resourceful idiots will find a way. Drivel with his hacksaw springs to mind.

[Doctor Drivel]

Please don't go on.

[Owain]

Well it works with hi-fi doesn't it ;-)

Owain

[Doctor Drivel]

Unable to grasp a simple.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Well, true, because you're not within range.

Seek treatment for your alcohol addiction.

You really need to take a look at your lifestyle. AA could be a help. But ask your doctor for advice on a quick de-tox.

[Doctor Drivel]

Then get treatment

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Doesn't really make sense Drivel. Denial is a terrible thing.

[Doctor Drivel]

Nothing makes sense to you. Get professional help.