"Danny D." wrote
| Why can't mice figure out that the trap is not a good thing for them?
Why can't alcoholics figure out that drink is
bad for them? For that matter, what magical
spell causes so many people to return, again
and again, to fast food joints selling industrial
food-like products that make them sick? Why
do people stare at cellphones while walking into
traffic? Didn't they see the last tech-addict get
run over? Why do we get fat? Isn't that rather
The difference between us and mice is mainly
that we're highly intelligent, so we can cook up
complex rationalizations to explain why we chose
to do what we couldn't help doing anyway. We
brilliantly maintain a veneer of plausible free will. :)
I've been having trouble with mice in the kitchen
lately. We were given a very good trap from
Switzerland. Despite droppings and scent left
behind by one mouse, the next one gets caught
the next night. I caught 4 in about 10 days. My
suspicion is that the scent may draw the next
On the other hand, I don't kill them. The trap is
just a cage. I then take them out to nearby woods
and release them. So there's no scent of dead
mouse in the trap. I don't understand people who
take pleasure in killing innocent creatures. I suspect
they were beaten by a merciless father in their youth
and now find weakness and vulnerability enraging
and contemptible. But maybe they just have no
capacity for empathy. Or perhaps they just can't
figure out that hatred is not good for them? Whatever
the case, I don't see any need to kill mice.
In general I find mice to be highly intelligent and
wiseguys by nature. When I started blocking their
entrances one time in a cabin where I was staying
they began to run across my body, and pull otherwise
harassing stunts, when I went to bed. The message
was clear: You leave us alone and we'll leave you
alone. What impressed me was that they had to have
some kind of understanding of communication in order
to issue their warning to me. (But I couldn't sleep
with mice running over me. I ended up catching them
by hand in the middle of the night, until I had them
all (3) trapped. Oddly, they seemed to almost give
up when I took that approach. They didn't seem to
try very hard to avoid capture.)
I'm an animal lover, but mice are NOT on my list of animals to love. I
dont take pleasure in killing them, but I do it because they are
destructive pests. If you release them, they will just come back or go
to another home to do damage. The most humane thing you can do is to
kill them quickly. The best method is to feed them to a hungry cat.
Killing mice and rats, or flys, mosquitoes has nothing to do with
hatred, and rodents are far from innocent, when they destroy your
clothing or do damage to your home.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:52:48 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
I don't take any pleasure in killing them either.
I don't mind letting them go at the small overhang where I dump the live
rattlers - but that means a dozen humane traps first.
And, I guess, it's not humane unless you constantly *check* the traps, as I
don't generally travel to the pumphouse (except when the backflow valve is
acting up - and - well - thanks to you guys - that backflow valve won't be
acting up anymore).
The traps are in the crawl space of the house, so, humane traps are
problematic in inaccessible areas (they'd just be starvation traps - which
doesn't sound all that humane).
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:00:41 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
I guess it's the same.
Why alcoholics ... gamblers ... druggies ... etc., can't stop what is
It does seem similar.
I should get some of those as I already have a spot I throw all the
rattlers I catch so I may as well throw mice there so that the rattlers can
play with them.
What humane traps that I can get at Ace/HomeDepot/Lowes do you recommend?
(I'll need about a dozen or so.)
"Danny D." wrote
| What humane traps that I can get at Ace/HomeDepot/Lowes do you recommend?
| (I'll need about a dozen or so.)
I'm no expert. We had a basic trap. I think it's
have-a-heart. But our neoghbor's from Switzerland
have something that seems to work better. Same
idea. It's just a cage attached to a small board,
with a spring-loaded trap door.
On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 7:43:16 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
A mouse's brain is about 0.4 gram. (For comparison, the contents of
a packet of Sweet-n-Low (that pink packet) is about 1 gram.)
I doubt there's any room in there for cause-and-effect analysis.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:11:44 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
I guess that makes sense, but where I live, we have mountain lions and
foxes and coyotes, and all of them have figured out that humans are
dangerous, so they stay away from us (for the most part).
Also, animals must figure out what plants are poisonous, right?
Or what animals to run away from, right?
So, they must figure out *some* stuff.
But not mousetraps.
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 4:34:38 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
Not necessarily. As some other poster said, there are always more
where that came from.-
Practically every animal is wired to be afraid of demonstrably
bigger and more aggressive animals. Not so much for a piece of
wood and wire. They just don't look or smell dangerous. They're
just part of the scenery.
I've seen squirrels scamper over a dead squirrel to get to birdseed
on the ground.
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