Interesting. Are you saying the two dishes attached near the roof are mine
by virtue of being sold with the house while the four receivers are not
because they are not attached to the house?
What about the propane tank that was attached to a concrete slab. When I
called around, nobody could tell me who owned it but I didn't call all
suppliers. There is nothing in the paperwork about the attached propane
That's what he's saying. I can't personally verify whether that's
true, but it sounds reasonable.
Since the receivers are not part of the property, it depends on who
they belonged to before. If they were leased from DirecTV, they belong
to them, but they may not care about getting them back (used boxes
probably aren't worth what they would pay someone to go pick them up).
If they belonged to the previous owners of the house then I guess they
are yours and as far as I know you can sell them. Probably most useful
to someone who's box has failed so they don't have to buy a new one.
That is true of thing like light fixtures, doors, windows, etc. The dishes,
though, could come under the accessory category, not a permanent mount. You
don't get pictures hanging on the wall.
If you plan to get service, it may be good to have them there to avoid the
hassle of a new install. I have no idea of their life though.
The propane tank is possibly the house property, but that is rare. State
laws may vary, but it is typical that the tank cannot be filled by anyone
but the owner, making it tough to change suppliers. Most will have a
sticker on them by the company that supplied it.
On Sat, 2 Jan 2010 07:32:31 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
I don't know how old the two dishes are but the owners who were foreclosed
on bought the house in July of 2006 so they are probably of that vintage
since wires below them are painted but not these dish cables.
It seems the 2 dishes are more repurposeable than the 4 receivers.
I'm sorry I took this OT, but to respond, it's a 1,100 gallon tank but it
has no sticker on it.
I called around to find out who owned it but gave up after waiting on hold
at several companies. Everyone I called said they'd fill it after an
initial inspection. They asked for a "bill of sale" and I gave them the
title papers to the house (none of which mention the propane tank other
than it's working).
The propane inspection cost $125 and they checked that the earthquake
straps, concrete pad and roll-down-the-hill posts were all to code. Then
they filled it to 80% at $2.49/gallon (my first home owner shock!).
Back to the dishes, since I have no money (anymore), I am going to see if I
can "repurpose" the satellite dishes as a TV or WiFi antenna as suggested
to pluck free signals out of the air as suggested at
That's the general rule of Real Estate law. There are, obviously, exceptions
but the exceptions have to be raised by someone other than the (new) real
property owner. The presumption is that if it's permanently attached to the
property, it's part of the property. Some exceptions, possibly involving the
propane tank, may be covered by local law. In the case of the propane tank,
one resource to check is a local real-estate agent. You are probably not a
pioneer regarding this issue.
Myself, I can't see much practical difference between a propane tank bolted
to a concrete pad and a buried oil tank. Or a car port.
Even IF the original owner maintains some claim to the satellite dishes or
the propane tank, you can reasonably assume he's abandoned them.
In the case of the satellite dishes, again, I'd remove them, doing it
My son found a dual-lnb dish set out for heavy trash. He scooped it up, took
a picture, and sold it on Craigslist. Got twenty-five bucks for the thing.
I wonder how long abandonment lasts?
The foreclosed house was empty for two years.
In the end, none of the doors even locked anymore yet nobody took the
receivers or the dishes (although they did take the glass microwave dish
and the grill, all the pool equipment, and the fireplace burners. :(
It seems the dishes and receivers aren't all that useful unless they are
used for DirecTV subscription (which I'll never get) or if I repurpose
It seems the 2 dishes can be repurposed as free-to-air TV and WiFi antennas
and the 4 receivers can basically be sold to someone who does have a
DirecTv subscription (assuming there's no money owed on them).
I would like to have TV up here in the hills. Should I just put up a really
good TV antenna hooked to the 10,000 gallon water tank instead?
I take the stuff off them, and use them for bird feeders and bird baths.
Maybe a "water feature" with cascading water from one to another.
Electronically, they are worthless. Maybe a buck's worth of copper in all
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:53:18 -0500, Van Chocstraw wrote:
In summary, it seems the receivers are only good for someone who has
DirecTV (as a spare for example), and even then, someone said only if no
money is owed on them (or the cards in them).
I'd wager money is owed on the DirecTV because the house was a foreclosure
and there were piles and piles of old mail in the mailbox much of which was
collection agency stuff.
I'm thinking the 2 dish antennas may be more usable but then I have to
compare their usefulness to just buying a really good antenna to pluck TV
signals out of the air up here a few thousand feet up above the valley.
For several years now DirecTV's contracts have said that even if you
"buy" a DirecTV receiver or Digital Video Recorder, it is still
considered to be leased and remains the property of DirecTV: the
"purchase price" (whether they come directly from DirecTV or from Best
Buy or from ...) is merely the initial payment.
I have read of cases where people have acquired DirecTV receivers (e.g.,
on eBay) that DirecTV claimed belonged to them: on the one hand they
refused to reactivate them for the new "owner"; but OTOH they did not
want them back.
I think your safest bet would be to write to DirecTV, quoting the model
numbers, serial numbers and the numbers on the cards, and ask what you
should do with them -- making clear that you are not interested in
subscribing to DirecTV yourself.
If DirecTV says they don't want them back -- or simply does not respond
at all after a month or two, I guess that leaves you in the clear to do
whatever you want with them.
As for the dishes... The older round or slightly elliptical ones are
being replaced for High-Definition service via new satellites. When our
old one was replaced, the installer threw it down on the ground but took
away the LNBs (the more-or-less cylindrical gizmos that point into the
dish). He would have taken away the slightly damaged dish but was happy
to leave it for me to repurpose.
On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:06:53 -0500, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Interesting. That would mean I can't sell them but I don't really want to
go to that trouble for 20 bucks each anyway. That's one reason why I was
wondering what good they were (to me).
Oh. I didn't think about the "reactivation" needed. So, if I wanted DirecTV
or the Dish Network, I'd have to call them to activate the 4 receivers and
they would if money wasn't owed on them?
I should do this. The only thing I'm worried about is that they'll want to
also remove their two dishes on the roofline boards (it doesn't seem clear
who owns them even though they're "attached" to the house).
This is a reasonable plan. I don't actually have any "plans" for the 4
satellite receivers (Sony SAT-B55 Digital Satellite Receiver; Sony SAT-B65
Digital Satellite Receiver; DirectTV H10 HD Receiver;DirectTV H11 Satellite
I was just wondering if the satellite receivers were "useful" to me in some
Apparently the only real use for satellite receivers is for me to sell them
to someone who has DirecTV or Dish Network; but that's not worth it for me
for the 20 bucks each would fetch on Craigslist.
These look round and are about a foot and a half in diameter. Does that
make them the old ones or the newer ones?
Assuming the dishes are properly mounted and the cables leading to the
receivers are still intact, the installed dishes by themselves may be
worth much more than the trouble of removing them and selling the
individual components on eBay can fetch you.
The receivers can be relatively easily upgraded by just buying new ones
but the labor to install the dishes and run the cable to the receiver is a
fixed cost, already paid for by someone else. Unless your HOA has a
problem with the dishes, I would just leave them until you decide if you
want the service. Assuming this is an older DirectTV install, maybe you
can get some kind of an upgrade deal from them for the four receivers?
Worth a call to them (if you want the service of course)
That makes sense. I assume the dishes work with any supplier (although they
have the DirecTV logo printed on them which I can see from the ground).
I guess what you're suggesting is:
a) Leave the 2 dishes where they are (with all the wires running into the
house as they are)
b) Get rid of the 4 satellite receivers (Ebay or otherwise)
c) If I ever wish to have DirecTV or Dish Network, then just call them for
new satellite receivers and cards.
Is that the suggestion?
That would be the wisest thing to do IMHO. Cables can be moved if the
length allows but if the current locations make sense given your new
furniture layout, I would just leave all cabling as is. Worst thing that
can happen - you will realize they were NOT properly installed to begin
with and have to be re-pulled. Even then the old cables can prove useful
by becoming essentially pull-strings for the new ones.
I guess I would swap b) and c) - call DirectTV first, see if any deal is
to be had with the old receivers in it, then sell them for $10-$20 on eBay
if they were not required. I think these days you'd definitely want HD
channels and those old receivers are not going to provide that.
I'm going to take your suggestion and leave the cables where they lie.
I'm currently looking up over-the-air (OTA) TV reception and I found from
online resources that I can find the GPS coordinates of my dish antenna as
the starting point for a new OTA TV antenna.
Since the roof is a tile roof, I'll probably try to have the antenna
mounted on the chimney but going to the coax cable at the DirecTV dish
(which I will disconnect and just leave there).
The online FCC web pages tell me I need a large directional UHF & Hi-V TV
antenna with a pre-amp (violet type) and a remote-controlled motor to aim
Specifically, due to line-of-sight mountainous terrain, my OTA TV reception
realistically seems to be only these 4 channels:
1. PBS UHF Strong (-37dBm, ESE 123 degrees)
2. CBS UHF Strong (-51dBm, N 8 degrees)
3. NBC HiV Medium (-60dBm, N 6 degrees)
4. FOX HiV Medium (-67dBm, SSE 141 degrees)
5. ABC HiV Weak (-84dBm, ESE 123 degrees)
I'm still looking up what a "dbM" is and how much amplifier "power" I need
to get a good signal out of those figures (-84 dBm to -37 dBm). If you know
of a web site that will calculate the size of amplifier needed, that would
be helpful as I haven't found a good online amplifier power calculator yet.
On Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:23:14 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:
The problem I'm trying to figure out is what OTA TV antenna to buy and what
power to use for the preamplifier given these reception numbers.
For example, if I use a DB8 antenna with a specification of:
# High gain across entire UHF band (UHF channels 14-69)
# Max Gain 15.8 dB
How do I figure out if 15.8 dB is enough to receive the signal of the PBS
station in my area, which apparently has the following reception:
* PBS, KTEH, UHF Analog channelT.1, digital channelP,
* Strong signal, Power=-64 dBm, NM&.8 dB (how do I use these numbers?)
* Distance!.1 miles, Pathdge (does "Path" matter?)
Is it obvious to you or do I need to run a calculation to see if 15.8 dB is
enough gain for this strongest station in my area?
Don't mount the antenna on the chimney! The difference between 28,000 miles
and 27,999 miles, 5,260 feet is negligible.
Mount the antenna on the ground. It's easier to aim and easier to clear of
leaves, snow, and bird shit.
If you're going to use one antenna, you'll have to aim it at at least three
different places. Tough to do if it's on the freakin' roof.
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