yes, I did. my mistake. at first I presumed the cost of plain
aluminum shingles as opposed to special steel, painted, shingles would
be lower or comparable. classicmetalroofingsystems dealer wrote that
aluminum is generally more expensive than steel. my budget for this
reroofing job is $10K which corresponds to $130/SQ shingles, prorated
trim & $1200 freight. it was in large part a fin. decision not to
pursue this avenue.
Tamko shingles are average at best, yet w/ 50 yr warranty.
yes, cheap as in price.
not cheap as in quality.
frugal as how far a dollar spent will go.
My options are:
a) local roofer replacing asphalt shingles for $10K, guaranteed for 20
yrs w/ declining value.
b) DIY steel shingles for $10K, guaranteed for 50yrs (at least) &
maintaining value; in fact increasing the resell-value of my house.
...so what happened in this thread? Did it die of slow death (like
many others) without closure? Anybody bought (or not) these steel
shingles? I am interested, but not after reading about all the
hassles with distributors and sellers. Any good experience buying
steel shingles out there?
I installed steel shingles once. I couldn't figure out how to get the
ridge cap on without bending the top row of shingles under my knees. I
tried making a ridge saddle out of plywood to distribute my weight,
which helped a bit, but you could still see dents from the ground. The
owner was not happy. I was frustrated. It was not a good experience.
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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:52:25 -0800, Larry Caldwell
most, if not all, steel roof mfgs claim you can walk on their steel
roof/shingles - except the locks/seams.
Tiles, slates, shingles, shakes, etc. rest directly on the deck and
shouldn't dent. Perhaps your steel shingles were the thin-steel
Wouldn't it work installing the ridge cap at the same time as
installing the 2 top rows (left/right side) of shingles? In other
words, when you get to the top, you would be installing both top rows
of shingles at the same time as installing the ridge cap so you
wouldn't have to step on any of the top-row shingles?
The problem of course might be the fact that steel shingles
installation starts at the bottom left corner of the roof so when you
get to the top you get boxed-in and wouldn't be able to install the
ridge cap until both top rows are installed.
eBay does NOT allow wire transfers/Western Union, so report him and/or do
not do business with him.
heesh, have you ever
Yep, several times, and the charges were reversed immediately. You can
dispute the charges online and it takes about 2 minutes.
Yep, I regularly place orders for my business of $15,000 and up, and I order
almost everything online. Just use a credit card and you'll be fine. If he
won't take a card, use PayPal and your bank account. PayPal is a pitt bull
if there's a problem with an eBay purchase. Relax, you're covered.
does this apply even to split orders? i.e., there's no point buying
shingles w/o the matching trim. so, since he doesnt sell the complete
assembly on ebay, the deal (assembly) needs to be completed off-line
the best scenario I see is that he delivers shingles via ebay and then
I still need to look for matching accessories at whatever price
elsewhere - which makes it tricky. is that the case?
- I am glad there's somebody out there that actually has done this -
at least that takes most of my doubts away
As someone who is looking at requiring a new roof soon, I was curious about
the original question being asked.
I don't intend to do my own roof. I have more than enough home-repairs and
renovations, that I don't think I'll kill myself doing , to last me the next
few years. So the gist (jist?) of the original post, How much more than a
standard shingle roof is reasonable to spend on a metal or other "life-time"
type roof. Our nieghbour across the street had one installed in one day. I
didn't realize it was a metal roof going up or I would have paid more
attention. I beleive they went over the old shingles, saving a heck of a lot
of time (labour) and the cost of bin and disposal. To my mind that should
help balance out higher material costs.
I would say that is, in all likelihood, false economy. To invest in the
"high-priced spread" for the purpose of a long lifespan and then to cut
corners on the installation is at complete odds with each other...
How is installing a roof over a single layer of shingles 'cutting
corners"? Especially a metal roof. From the OP's post it sounds
like this may have been a conventional metal roof- not metal shingles,
which may have different demands.
But, even in general, I thought it was fairly common practice, as long
as the original roof was lying flat, to install a second layer of
roofing over the first.
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:14:25 -0500, Richard J Kinch
here's a link to lifetime warranties:
also, a simple search "steel shingles" "lifetime warranty" will
generate dozens upon dozens of qualified hits
Umm... Many roofing materials will last a lifetime. A slate roof can last 80-100
years. At that point, you may have to pull it all off and then nail the same
slate back up with new nails and flashing for the next 80-100 years of
Copper and slate, yes.
Galvanized steel, no. This "lifetime roof" is the latest bunko sales
swindle, a la "liquid siding". Cheap old stuff sold as something new
because it comes with a (worthless) faux-warranty.
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:18:54 -0500, Richard J Kinch
those with all-brick or all-stone houses that will last 100's yrs will
install copper or slate shingles.
the rest of us, the way average N.A. houses are built these days, will
settle for the lifetime that's 50-70yrs long. beats asphalt shingles.
agreed. yet, most of these steel shingles, especially after first
reroofing, will go down w/ the av. house.
sure. most mfg/installers probably cannot see themselves in business
past 20 yrs or being under the same ownership.
Hypothetically speaking, given the current steel shingle market
conditions, what are the barriers to entry for, let's say a
proprietor w/ low overhead costs selling steel online, to add steel
shingles to his "repertoire", by-passing installers and retailing
directly to DIYers?
Not as much manufacturers as distributors of steel shingles (just as
torsion springs mfgs for garage doors) believe they are better off not
retailing their product directly to the public. They believe they are
maintaining higher prices for their product by restricting sales "to
the trade." In other words, "We do not sell to the end user. We
protect our dealers," which would seem to be prima facie evidence of
an illegal restraint-of-trade scheme. But this is an old story which
is true of virtually every product and service, going back to medieval
guilds and before. (note: this quoted without permission)
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:18:54 -0500, Richard J Kinch
No, you are wrong on that point as well. 30 or 40 years years ago you
might have been right. Today, steel roofing is available with
extremely EXTREMELY durable coatings. For that matter, I know
personally of a STEEL 1925 Ford Model T that has been sitting outside
almost it's entire life and still has the original paint on it. It's
not even galvanized, as far as I know. Just painted.
On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:47:08 -0500, Richard J Kinch
for example, the low-end shingles (i.e. tamko metalworks) uses
Kynar500/Hylar5000 fluoropolymer (pvdf) covered by a 50yr warranty
against environmental aging, fading, chalking, cracking,
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