If the urine is there solely because someone missed the target,
bleaching the area may help.
More commonly though, the smell is due to leakage around the
wax seal and the toilet has to come up to fix that.
On a related note, here's a stupid question. I want to replace the wax rings
in our two toilets, as the house inspector detected moisture around them. So
we turned off the water, got the bowls drained and were ready to go. But
when my dad tried to remove the bolts holding it down, we found they are
rusted out and we can't get them off. Dad isn't so well anymore and can't be
Help please? I've never done wax rings before, but from what Dad told me it
isn't all that difficult...after you get the bolts off.
Well, you're gonna have to get "creative".
I like the hacksaw in this situation. Either cut vertically
thru the side of the nut or horizontally and cut the stud off
at the top surface of the porcelain.
You won't know what the bolt situation is until you pull the bowl.
Plastic flanges have a TEE bolt while older brass flanges may have
a long threaded stud in a tapped hole in the brass.
Inspect the flange carefully for any cracks or (if lead/brass)
broken solder joints.
When you put the new wax ring on the bowl, use a hair dryer to dry
off the porcelain and smear wax around to make a firm adhesion.
Ditto on the flange. Make sure the wax is thick enough to compress
This brings back memories. In the 50s I had a summer job working as a
plumber's helper. I was about to install a toilet so I picked up some
brass nuts to use on the flange bolts because they wouldn't rust. I got
chewed out royally after I bolted the bowl down when my boss (the union
plumber) saw what I had done. It seems that the objective was to use
iron bolts and nuts so they they would rust, creating another job for
him or a union brother.
I've hated labor unions ever since.
For your problem, I've used a Dremel tool with an abrasive cutoff disk
to cut through the bolt or to section the nut, whichever is easiest.
Wear eye protection though.
So the moral of the story is to purchase brass nuts eh? Seems like there
should be some sort of joke about keeping it warm enough to keep monkeys
happy, but anyhow... :)
Just so I have a clear understanding of how this works - the bolt that I'm
talking about cutting off, where is the other end going to end up when I cut
it? The bolt goes through the base of my toilet to...?? Presumably somewhere
that I can reach once I have removed the bowl.
It probably won't go anywhere. The bottom end is hooked in a keyhole-shaped
slot in the lip of the cast iron, plastic, or occasionally bronze flange
fitting that the toilet bolts to. There will be a lot of gunk there once you
get the toilet up, so probably the bolt will still be there, and you will
need to manuver it to the big end of the keyhole with a screwdriver, so you
can get it out. If there is no subfloor right under the keyhole, it will
fall into the space between the joists, and may safely be ignored. Once you
get the bolts cut and the toilet up, it will all be readily apparent. As to
the new bolts- I prefer stainless, myself. Brass turns green, and is too
easy to strip. Like everyone else said, don't overtighten the new bolts, or
use them to compress the new wax ring.
Now, the smell most likely isn't from the wax ring, sewer gases don't smell like
they smell like, well, you know what!
The smell is coming from UNDER the toleit. The caulk around the base is leaking or
missing, so you have to remove the tolet and clean up the floor and sanitize it with a
bleach mixture. After you remove the tolet you have to turn the bowl over and clean
as well. If the tolet is old now is the time to get a new one. I like the Kolhler
because they are water savers that actually flush everything with one try!
Since you are new to this, get a wax ring with a horn, it will be easier for you. Also
pick up a new bolt kit. Once you cut the old bolts off you will see how easily they
BEFORE removing the tolet, get a good protector on the rest of the floor, like an old
bedspread or matress cover. When you take the toliet off don't set it on the floor
is when its installed. You have to lean it over because the old wax ring is on the
and it makes a terrible mess!!!
Once you remove the toilet, lay it down, then clean the wax ring off the toilet and
floor ring. Use a scraper. If you have a weak stomach, keep the trash can near you
After scraping the old wax ring off, look for signs of floor damage. If there is get
expert to advise you concerning this. If no damage, you will see that the bolts slide
easily. Remove them and install the new ones. Put the new wax ring with the plastic
or funnel facing down, some people put it on the toilet and then place the toilet
bolts. Examine the situation yourself and determine what is best for you in your
BUT BEFORE you put the new wax ring on, clean and sanitize the floor and scrap off any
caulk, this is important, all caulk MUST be removed. Also clean the inside portion of
toilet bowl, this is where the smell is harvesting. Spaying after using a bleach
is best. If you can take the toilet outside and wash is everywhere that is the best
Then sanitize it with a bleach solution and rinse off. A great deal of smells come
around the tank and bowl area. Those darn women need to learn how to aim!
After COMPLETELY drying the toilet and base off. put the bolts in, the ring on and
unit back on the floor, turning back and forth with your weight as your puttting it
to seat the ring, not a lot, just about 11 to 1 oclock movement. Then square it off
put your nuts on the bolts. DON'T use the nuts and bolts to pull it down to the
will screw up the flange and maybe ruin the toilet! Your weight and small movements
set the toilet. Tighten the nuts firmly. Then, use a GOOD, NOT CHEAP silicon for
and caulk the bottom. Use a small tube because a caulk gun won't get behind the toilet
area. BUY two tubes because what I'm going to tell you will prevent this happening
Practice caulking this way, cut the end off SMALL, about the size of pen opening and
slant. Practice cauling something by PUSHING the tube, NOT PULLING it towards you.
the tube while caulking makes the caulk go INTO the crack. Pulling the tube towards
only places the caulk on top of the two items and they will break loose eventually.
you practice with a cheap tube, use the best brand to actually do the caulking. If you
practice for about five minutes and didn't cut the tube too big you will be able to
the caulk into the crake and the tubing nozzel will leave a perfect bead that you
have to use your finger to remove the excess.
It is NOT a difficult job if you plan it out. Its messy, but not difficult. Hook up
plumbing and test, but don't sit on it unitl the caulk dries, you may break the bond
the next time Mother or wife misses the toilet the smell will come back ;-)
Lastly, dad may not be too helpful, but I sure wish I had mine here to get in my
way....... It sounds like you two are close, and that is why I posted in such detail.
Enjoy him and let him 'help' you on this, you will really miss it later in life.
Thanks Rich. I already miss Dad in a way. He has a rapidly progressing form
of dementia, is ok sometimes but other times doesn't really know which way
is up. I do plan to have him try to help as he can, since I think he'd
really enjoy having something useful to do.
Wow, I never seen that before. How do you make it blow? Does it
sound just like my car horn, or more like a Tuba, saxophone, or
trombone? Do they make them with other sounds too, such as a guitar or
piano model, or one that sounds like a jackhammer or crying baby? I
want more choices !!!!
I agree it is probably the wax ring, but to get the odor out use Nature's
Miracle, available at any pet store. It has enzymes that destroy odors, and is
specifically formulated for waste products. Follow the directions, which
basically say shake well, pour full strength on area, and go away.
Everybody splashes urine. Men on the floor in front; women on the underside of
the seat and sometimes on the floor from there. For the people who made
wisecracks: if you think your aim is better than mine, put dry kleenex around
the toilet and check it out.
On 04 Apr 2004 02:09:34 GMT, email@example.com (Toyratter) wrote:
This topic (problem) had come up before.
This key statement is "women on the underside of
Men do that too even when seated . The penis is withdrawn into the
groin far enough that it points up. The pee hits the underside of the
seat. The pee then runs down the outside of the front of the bowl and
seeps around the base of the bowl. Not much pee spills in that
direction but enough does to cause your problem with the smell. Look
to see if there is a urine stain and also if that area is wet just
after use. One way to find out is for whoever is using the toilet to
put a paper towel on the floor at the front of the bowl and see if
that gets wet after taking a pee. Then only that user will know if
he/she is the culprit and fix the problem without anyone else finding
As another poster said, the smell is of urine, not of sewer gas. Its
a urine problem, not a toilet seal leak. Laundry bleach will get rid
of tthe smell. Urine smell is ammonia and chlorine will react with it
to form harmless ammonium chloride.
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