I'm looking for companies that provide underground oil storage tank
abandonment services in NJ (residential area).
What are the different ways to close an underground oil tank? Does it
matter where exactly the tank is located (under the frontyard, backyard,
grass, partly under the driveway, etc)? What other considerations are
Any info would be appreciated.
Given the rules we now have, it'd be insane to do anything but remove the tank
altogether. Removing a tank before it leaks isn't generally that big a deal,
altho, the tank itself can be a problem to get rid of.
But if it leaks? Big bucks.
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.
Depending on the municipality, the only way to not remove the tank is to
show a "major" obstruction (under a deck, a gas or water line running
over it etc)
Even then you'll have to have the soil tested and a representative of the
local fire department may have to be there to sign off on it.
NJBrad (Yes that's [N]ew [J]ersey)
PS: Remember, this is the state that fined a guy for "destroying
wetlands" by putting gravel in a muddy spot on his driveway.
this is not true folks! Your home heating oil tank does not fall under
the Federal Guidelines for Commercial underground fuel tanks. If you
are not using your tank anymore, simply have the remaining fuel pumped
out of the tank. Now there is no possibility of any fuel leaking into
the ground surrounding your tank if it should rust through. Don't let
some dumb real estate person tell you that underground tanks have to
be dug up and disposed of...this is an urban legend. You only have to
dig up abandoned tanks if you have a gas station and you quit using
Bill (who builds gas stations for a living)
If you have a friend who own a car that burns diesel fuel, let them
use up the fuel.
When it's empty, cut it into a few reasonably sized pieces and cart if
off to the dump, or some nearby apartment complex dumpster.
Same here in CT. Also, it's tough to sell a house with an underground tank.
We bought a house which had an underground tank and the first buyer's deal
fell through because of it. They couldn't get the morgtage because of it. We
made a deal that we would pay to remove the tank (about $2500, iirc) and the
sellers would be responsible for any remediation if there was leaking...
Yep. There was over $14,000 worth of remediation needed because it was
leaking. Thankfully CT's amnesty program was still running and the sellers
got about 50% back.
One of our neighbors bought a house where the sellers had lied on the
disclosure about the underground tank. Big time court case and yes, that
tank was leaking also.
Residential tanks are not "Commercial" tanks which have stored fuel
oil that was sold to the public. They do not have to be removed by law
anywhere in the United States.
Real Estate people will freak out if they know there is an under
ground tank on your property. The prudent thing to do is pump all the
remaining fuel oil out of your tank if you are not using it anymore.
It's probably that 2" steel filler pipe and vent pipe sticking out of
the ground above the tank that makes the real estate people freak out!
An 18" pipe wrench with about a five foot length of 2" pipe shoved up
the handle of the wrench for a "cheater bar" will allow the average
home owner to remove those "real estate agent offending pipes" from
over your innocent fuel oil tank that you have carefully pumped out to
remove any possibility of contaminating your neighbors well water!
(those damn real estate agents call me all the time wanting to know
how much it would cost to dig up somebodies fuel oil tank...)
In Ontario, it is now law that all underground oil tanks must be
removed, whether being used or not. Although it was virtually
impossible for someone to tell there was one in my backyard (I had
unscrewed the filler and vent pipes 28 years ago) I decided I
shouldn't declare that there wasn't one there when selling my house
and paid $7650 CDN to have it and contaminated soil removed.
so you have a mortgage lender in Connecticut who goes around houses
with a metal detector searching for underground tanks? That's pretty
scary! Why would a mortgage lender feel a need to use a metal detector
to search property for an underground fuel oil tank? Sounds like
you're dealing with a fly by night mortgage company to me!
If you have an oil tank you are using fuel from to heat your house you
ought to have a pretty good idea if it's leaking or not. If you think
it's leaking you should at the least have it pumped dry and abandon
If you go by EPA soil analysis guidelines for commercial fuel sites,
your soil around your fuel oil tank at home would be considered
contaminated if your fuel oil delivery driver has ever spilled a few
drops of oil on the ground beside the filler pipe when he is removing
his fueling nozzle! That's why homeowners tanks are exempted from the
regulations that commercial fueling operations have to follow.
No. It wasn't us, it was the first couple who had the house under contract.
I don't know what the specifications were, but they did find the tank with a
metal detector. I *think* he was trying to get a VA loan.
The home had been converted to gas many years ago. The tank was abandoned
and not properly emptied apparently.
Well, all I know is half the backyard was dug up and replaced and it cost
the sellers $14,000 to have it done which they were reimbursed about 50%
through the amnesty program the state was running at the time.
On 2 Jul 2004 13:10:46 GMT, email@example.com (Chris Lewis)
This is not true, no residential tank in the United States has ever
caused a home owner to pay massive cleanup fees! Tell me specifically
who and where the site is?
People hear these tales of site cleanups where gasoline stations have
been shut down and many of them have resulted in huge cleanup fees.
As a matter of fact, there is so much contaminated soil under most
United States gas stations that the EPA realizes now there is not
enough money on the planet to clean the whole country up like their
1988 regulations would have required of owners.
What do you mean abandonment services?
Lemme guess. You are selling your home at this peak real estate
market and you have an underground heating oil tank no longer in use
that is stopping potential buyers from closing the deal, or something
to that nature. Well, it won't be cheap nor will it be easy and
straight forward. Not in New Jersey. I think you know that already.
More likely than not the tank is leaking. So you have not only the
tank to remove. Containminated soil will have to go too. It could be
quite messy. The envieonmental firm you will be hiring won't give you
a fixed price because they don't know what's underground. Depending
on how big the tank is, how deep is it below grade, and how close is
it to the house, a professional engineer likely will get involved to
determine if excavation will jepardize structural integrity of the
house. I know. I was hire recently just to sit around the excavatin
site to tell the digging crew to stop when I decide it is too
dangerous to proceed. All these are without the burearcrats
hamstringing the operation.
Have I scared you stiff? Which part of Jersey are you located?
On 30 Jun 2004 18:13:24 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org (Yaofeng) wrote:
That's Bullshit! Even in a place like New Jersey they cannot do this
to a home owner! A tank that is used to store fuel oil specifically
for use in heating the house on that property does not fall under the
regulatory guidelines of a commercial fuel storage site where the fuel
is either being sold to the public or is being used in a commercial
endeavor. Whoever is telling you this is igorant or deliberately
trying to mislead you!
Can't do what? It's well known that leaking home oil tanks are a big
problem for homeowners and insurance companies throughout the US. If
a tank is found to be leaking, the homeowner is responsible for
whatever cleanup is involved. That typicall means the tank removal
together with truck loads of contaminated soil and it can easily be
tens of thousands of dollars. Many insurance companies will not cover
the cost under a std homeowner's insurance policy either. What do you
think would happpen? Just let it keep on leaking? Ignore it? Who do
you think would wind up paying for the clean up?
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