I need to go see my building inspector to ask some questions...
I printed out a copy of the above stove. I think I'll show him the picture
and tell him I have my stove in. Then ask if he thinks my installation is
ok. Maybe do the same for my insurance guy! (They will get a kick out of
FYI - I have had to get an EPA certified wood stove, install a hearth pad
which has an R-value minimum of 1.5, have 14 inches space from stove to
wall (depends on stove model), have 18 inches of hearth pad in front of
stove, 8 inches of hearth pad on sides of stove, and a U.L. cert. stainless
steel chimney system installed to code.
If you join the pipe sections so that the creosote runs down inside
the section below it and into the stove you will eliminate the mess,
and even further impede the air flow like you want to. But your house
is still likely to burn down.
Maybe you need to look around some more. There are a lot of expensive very
nice-looking air-tight woodstoves. However, I bought ours for about $700
(Canadian!) 3 years ago at our local hardware store. It's an EPA rated
air-tight that performs very well It doesn't have all the fancy trim, but
still has a nice glass door that stays clean for many days thanks to the
"air wash" system.
La di dah. Life is dangerous. Use a CO detector or two.
Yes Nick, if you live like that LIFE is dangerous. How about if I
nominate you for the Darwin award now so you can enjoy the award in the
short time you have left. Perhaps you should read the code section on
flues for wood burning appliances.
PS, I once saw a guy use galvanized flue pipe on his wood stove when I
lived in Pennsylvania. He had ordered the stainless steel triple wall
that he needed, but it was slow in arriving. The galvanized stuff lost
the galvanized coating the first time he fired the stove, and the flue
ate through in less than a week. He was lucky he didn't burn his house
down. CO poisoning was the least of his worries.
You want to be rich and dead? Maybe you can get them to put a U-Haul
behind your hearse!
In my business, safety is very important. If I didn't follow code, I
coould get sued. Someone could get hurt, sick or die. That would be a
bad thing! If you don't care about ketting killed by your contraption,
make one operate like your post said. Then if you live till next year,
let us know how it worked. For me, I want both as much safety as
possible and as much efficiency as possible. I also like stuff to last
a long time. It is better for me AND my customers.
If a sheet metal flue needed replaced every two weeks, that would cost
my customer a lot more than he saved on energy. Especially if the wood
was free for the chopping, which it aften is.
I always consider safety very important, dead customers do me no good!
Besides, if you get someone killed. you can go to jail as negligent
homicide for a few years. How much research will you do in jail? I
know that would be a tough way for me to feed my family!
No solar power in jail either....LOL (make it heavy so he'll listen once)
Safety first. The play with the toys under the safety rules. The rules and
laws are only there because of accidents. Previous experiences that millions
of people with combined intelligences much larger than your egos.
Physics and common sense say not to do it the Nick way. Codes are
generally rewritten when someone dies, so that no more have to die.
That is what common sense IS. One definition of insanity is doing
things the same way and expecting different results. The codes were
written because doing things your way got people killed in the past.
So you want to try it again and see if maybe they just get injured this
Besides, the codes are not just my rules, they are everyones rules.
Except yours, that is. If someone told you not to stand under a steel
beam that was falling, your dying words would be "I disagree"
Discussing things like safety with you is a waste of time.
"physics-the study of matter and energy"
Ok, what you're really talking about is the application:
"(n) technology, engineering (the practical application of science
to commerce or industry)"
So people don't use physics which is a study, they engineer heating
devices. I don't think you can actually call the device portrayed on
the web page very well engineered. It appears to me to be more of an
artsy-fartsy piece designed to sell an article but having little to
no practical value.
If you want artsy stuff watch Mag Ruffman's PBS series. At least she
doesn't promote building unsafe things likely to kill you.
Wrong. It's a free country, with free speech, and some people are freer
than others and like to make their own decisions about their own lives.
Yes Nick, you are free to tell people to do stupid stuff that can get
them killed. The question is why do you continue to do that. With
freedom comes responsibility, which you refuse to excersize. This is a
help type newsgroup and you seem to want to make it a hurt type
newsgroup. I wonder why. Is it because it is the only way you have to
feed your ego?
Most people can tell Nick is quite eccentric by his posting style and would
still follow their own logical thinking anyway.
If one cannot think past the gobble-dee-gook for one's own safety then one
will eventually harm oneself anyway. It won't take Nick or anybody else here
to do that for people "in over their heads".
I don't like Nicks posting style or attitude sometimes but he still is a
very thinking, inquisitive and interesting guy and adds a lot to these
groups in ideas.
I feel it is enough for others to slip in a safety reminder when one of us
forgets or violates the laws/rules with advise. The flames aren't necessary.
Give the readers soem credit for a few brains.
So that is how you disown any responsibility for the BS you post being
believed by the reader.
Pontius Pilate = Not My Problem , huh.
Nicks is a true fucktard, has been for years.
You , G00n, work that poor sap
to the Max,,, in elongating the spiel for
your own twisted glee.
Standard stuff for you. Pick on the brainless
and egotistical for *your* free ride.
I do believe this description belongs at your stoop.
" I refer to people such as yourself as the
self-cleaning gene pool."
Wave that freedom flag. That should help your case and rally the
masses behind you. Yeah, right.
When you're 15 years old freedom means the ability to do anything you
want without being told what to do. When you're an adult (look it up)
freedom means the ability to do what you should without being prevented
from doing it.
If you want to modify your house, compromise your safety, and kill your
family - knock yourself out. I refer to people such as yourself as the
self-cleaning gene pool. If we're lucky, the house will burn down and
some unsuspecting sap won't be saddled with your "improvements" in the
name of efficiency.
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