On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:34:14 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
I'd go with whichever is cheaper unless he is seriously thinking of
staying a long time. I don't think the PVC will crack that fast so my
thought is go with the cheaper way for most of the run. Where it goes
under the tree or under the house may need something else. The idea
is just to try to keep the cost down and not build something to last
another 90 years again.
Just because that seems to have happened to your neighbor doesn't mean
it's going to happen to you any time soon.
When you get to the point of having a downstairs toilet or sink needing
a long time to drain, that's when you'd need to look into the issue.
You seem to want to go looking for problems or issues before you even
know you have a problem or issue.
The clean-out access cover on the tie-in into the drain line. This will
be in the basement where the main drain stack goes through the basement
Alternatively, you (or the plumber) can temporarily remove any or all
toilets in the house and run a snake through the open drain-line for as
far as it will go.
He could also get to the point of having the failing pipe just clog
suddenly. Plenty of sewers clog with the first notice being
complete and sudden blockage. And if that happens in the
middle of winter, with the ground frozen, he's going to be in
worse shape, with less time to explore options and get a
He has a decaying 90 year old pipe that has been inspected
by camera and is down to 2" in spots. That IS a problem.
If my pipe to the street, or something else downstream, clogs and the
backflow preventer closes off the pipe, and I flush an upstairs
toilet, where is that water going to go?
Where would it go if the pipe was clogged without a backflow
LOL that's what I was thinking too. The backflow preventer
is there to protect against waste water flowing into the
house from the sewer system. That can happen when
there is some unusual problem, ie the municipal sewer
gets flooded with rainwater, clogged, etc. Then with no
backflow preventer you could have your basement fill
up with sewage through floor drains, laundry sinks, or
even worse, it might come out the first floor drains....
If the pipe gets clogged, then flushing a toilet with or
without the backflow preventer should produce the
Not really. A check valve will prevent outside sewage coming
into the house; it will do nothing if/when the sewer clogs, and
you continue to generate sewage within said house that has no
HERE is the solution to that:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:16:40 +0000 (UTC), David Lesher
Damned hard to get Ma to do the dishes out the back there and, I might
add, the first one out on a frosty winter morning breaks the ice, so
It does encourage courtesy in the family though. "No, I can wait. you
can go first".
I haven't seen anyone mention it, but so the plumber doesn't need to
dig outside? Then when he is done YOU will need to dig outside, so
that you can waterproof the exterior of your basement again where he
jack hammered it.
I suspect that 90 year old piping will need to be replaced. The
question is when. Do you do it at your convenience or do you wait
until the dead of winter when there is snow on the ground to do it? My
luck would be that it would completely fail on Dec 23rd when a big
family get together is underway. BTW, around here, south Louisiana, it
costs $150 to get the camera. Just went through that. I wonder if you
can dig the yard up until you get close to the tree, then slip a 3"
pipe inside the 4" to extend to the city main and then replace
everything back to the house. Murphy taught me many years ago that
anything will happen at the worst possible time so I try to at least
get the jump on Murphy when I can. BTW, three estimates makes sense
before you agree to do anything serious. I have no doubt that the
plumber you called is more than willing to raise his prices because he
thinks he has you over a barrel.
I feel for you.
The best I can say is that the general rule for things like that is to
get three estimates. That usually gives you enough information to
know if someone is way too low and likely to do a bad job. And enough
information to know if someone is way too high for what is involved.
You might also check Angie's list too.
Tell your wife that you want to get three estimates and that it is
unlikely to fail in the next couple of weeks while you figure out the
best thing to do.
You might want to get an estimate from someone who is outside of your
local area if you decide to line the sewer pipe. Maybe contact the
Perma-liner company in Colorado for recommendations of someone else to
contact. And maybe do an internet search for other companies that
sell systems to reline pipes.
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck
A side note to keep in mind: I had what I thought was a flow problem
(88 year old house, CI drain and sewer pipes) so I called the town
first (Metuchen). If your town is anything like mine, they'll come out
and run one of those cameras downstream of your house to check the
street sewer line before you spend money having your own sewer line
worked on. They did it for free.
It doesn't sound like an issue in your case but it was reassuring to
have them check that out. Then I had the sewer line reamed out, and I
have no flow problems. It may just have been some backing up in the
line at the street, after Hurricane Irene. People were draining their
basements for a couple of weeks after that.
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