Just finished a deck (final inspection passed yesterday -- horray for me
I'd never use nails on a new deck. I've seen far too many older decks with
nails popping out. In fact, this was part of the reason we replaced our old
deck, and I've fought this at my mom's place as well as our old home.
Go with screws, or even better, a hidden fastener system. We went with the
Tiger Claw hidden clips. They're not cheap, and not as easy to install as
they imply they are, but the finished product looks GREAT -- no holes
anywhere. Of course this might make more sense if you're using an upgraded
decking such as composite, which is what we did.
Tim, I think he wasn't referring to the decking, but to the framing and
joistsbelow it. Nails are generally what's used on them, along with
joist hangers, except perhaps for some lag bolts to secure a ledger
board to a house wall.
Whoops, I guess that's what he meant by the "under portion", lol. Yep, we
certainly used nails for all of that. Some even feel nails are better for
that, due to greater sheer strength...
The exceptions, as you partially noted, would be the ledger board, railing
posts, and some beam/post connections which require bolts or lag screws.
certainly used nails for all of that. Some even feel nails are better
that, due to greater sheer strength... <
Yup, I broke one of those screws a few days ago just by hand torque. I
don't know what material they use for those things but it has a lot
less shear strength than nails. However, I do use screws a lot nowadays
just out of fear of splitting the junky wood that's so common.
I should add that I don't think you'd want to go over the top. Lots of
extra weight, aesthetic reasons, etc. Also, if you had stairs, that would
throw off the top step and violate code.
Unless you have a very new deck, I'd advocate doing what we did -- tear off
and rebuild. I'd hate to spend the money on composite, only to find out the
substructure was rotting away 5 years down the road... The substructure is
actually a pretty small portion of the total cost. If you were keeping the
same footprint (we didn't), you wouldn't have to worry about footings, etc--
just reuse the old.
Why not just rip out the old decking & stair threads and replace them with
composite decking. Hopefully the decking was screwed on & the support is
"> Tim, when you replaced the wood decking with composite material, did you
We went with the Lowes ChickeDek Premium, for the following reasons, in no
1) Wanted something that looked remotely like wood. Many of the composites
don't look *anything* like wood. The ChoiceDek Premium has a subtle
woodgrain pattern molded into it.
2) We didn't like the all-vinyl/plastic products. Didn't look like wood
(looked like a picture of wood, lol), and was afraid of scratches.
3) Price was decent, compared to other systems we looked at.
4) Availability of 20' decking boards. Since the majority of our deck was
basically 20', that meant no butt joints. Many of the other systems we
looked at maxed out at 16' lengths, or had 20' as special order.
Hope that helps...
Not necessarily. Some screws are hardened (ie drywall screws), and they
can be somewhat brittle. Similarly using #8 screws in place of framing
nails means you have a rather thinner shank.
But decent #10 and #12 deck screws will outperform equivalent nails.
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
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