So far, we have ZERO evidence that we are talking about a leaky tank.
In fact, based on the information we DO have, it is highly unlikely
that the tank is leaking.
Other than that, we have an unverified report that one potential tire
kicker claimed that one mortgage compaany and one insurance company
had a problem just because of the existence of this tank, and
apparently was not open to the idea of first checking the tank, or
possibly removing it, before saying they would have nothing to do with
the deal under any circumstances.
On 5/3/2010 11:18 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The discussion was about the potential of an underground tank leaking.
It does happen and it is expensive to remediate. Since it is a buried
tank how is someone supposed to know?
So how much would it cost to dig up and inspect the tank? Who is even
going to "certify" an old tank since that would mean they are accepting
the liability for it?
It isn't even unheard of for insurance companies to refuse to insure old
above ground tanks anymore. Many will not even consider writing coverage
if you don't have a recent double wall tank.
On Mon, 03 May 2010 19:21:13 -0500, " email@example.com"
And REMOVE both the filler and vent pipes!!!
Several cases locally where the oil delivery man got the wrong house -
one where there was no longer a tank. He finally caught on when he had
pumped more oil into the basement than the (missing) tank should have
held - - - .
I find it hard to believe that any contractor who removes a tank,
doesn't also remove or plug (like with concrete or a pipe cap) the
outside fill hole hardware. If I was a lawyer, that would look like
contributory negligence to me. AKA, liability exposure.
or just cut pipe off with sawzall and remove. Demo is usually pretty
I think its now clear the tank is a hazard to tyhe insurance companys
bottom line, since they dont know the tanks real condition and dont
know how long you will own the home once you buy it. it could be 30
years making the tank a near guaranteed leaker by age 45:(
Specific requirements on what you need to do with the remaining fill
pipes and vents for a tank that is removed or de-commissioned in place
vary by jurisdiction. Before doing anything, the first thing is to
find out what is acceptable. Completely removing them is almost
certainly OK. But if you want to close them off, the acceptable
methods are frequently specified and may not include just a cap.
Who said a contractor did the job? And in at least one case, the
filler was pointed DOWN, and the delivery man thought someone was
screwing around, so he grabbed it and turned it UP first. It had been
turned down for over 5 years, so that wasn't a real simple job. Should
have "rang some bells" but apparently it didn't.
It has happened too many times, and it wasn't their first day on the
job every time - I know of one where they guy's been pumping furnace
oil for over 30 years - his hearing's not the best and it was on a
busy street. It was his first delivery to a new address. Waterloo
Street in Waterloo and it was supposed top be Waterloo street in
Kitchener.Had the right number.The houses were only a block or so
The twin cities of Kitchener/ Waterloo have many streets that run all
the way through both cities - the 2 main streets (king and Weber) run
north, south, east and west, parallell to each other, and cross 3
N and S means you are in Waterloo, E and W means you are in Kitchener.
The cities are not laid out on a grid.
There are lots of places like that where it is very easy to get the
Now, now, now. Don't coufuse people who have never even used heating oil
with eyewitness reports. We all know that the delivery men are certified by
our trusted government, and could NEVER EVER make even the tiniest mistake.
Kinda like ME!
"IT'S GOOD TO BE .... ME!" - Gene Simmons
If you're referrin' to me, Steve, you're way off base. I've heated
with oil for 40 years and my dad's house was oil for 12 before that.
Never had anything but above ground- outside tanks [and never had one
freeze- though it rarely gets to 20 below 0F anymore.]
I've also had an oil man refuse to put oil in my tank because my
whistler wasn't working. I sticked it & showed him it was 1/2
empty- but he wouldn't put anything in until the whistler was working.
Another oil guy from another company stopped pumping into my
neighbor's already full tank because the whistler wasn't whistling.
Maybe it is just this area- or maybe I'm just lucky. But I can't
still can't imagine any but the stupidest of delivery guys doing more
than splashing some oil in a basement if some idiot leaves the fill
pipe in place. The first gallon I put on the homeowner-- after
that the driver is liable in my mind.
I don't think ours [NY] are. They need a drivers license for heavy,
flammable materials trucks- but I've never seen a company call their
drivers 'certified'. But I've never delivered oil, either, so I
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