I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small job. I
had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been there about 3
years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with termite damage to the
point they had zero value.
Kind of reminds me of the last time I was in Lowes. I looked at their PT
lumber and it had mold growing on it. No kidding. Anyone else seeing
serious deterioration of building materials?
"PT" really doesn't mean anything unless you know the concentration
and the material. I wouldn't buy anything less than .40 and if it is
going to be on or in the ground I would get .80 CCA from a marine
No they didn't ban it, they just put it in a 'restricted use'
category. Which means you have to get a permit to use it. Which
means you have to take a test showing that you have some common sense
for using pesticides. Which means you can't buy the good stuff over-
the-counter but you can still buy it if you have a permit. Which
means EPA is trying to keep the potent/good stuff out of the hands of
dumb-asses while still allowing it's use for those who know how to use
The solution to ants in the kitchen for lots of folks is to smother the
yard with poison, often applied during inappropriate conditions. Some
of my neighbors, who have never read a label, use a 50# bag of poison to
CRUSH the bugs to death....
They have outright BANNED a lot of it -and if the EPA in the USA
hasn't, Canada - and in particular Ontario has. NO "cosmetic
pesticides" on lawns - which includes herbicides.
The cinch bugs and dandelions will be totally taking over in a few
years. If they had the vote they'd take over the government at the
What EPA-banned chemical kept the ants out of your kitchen in the past?
That problem has pretty simple solutions, beginning with sealing
entries and eliminating food sources. Hornets have been bugging me
lately outdoors, but it's getting cold and I have a winter coat :o)
They seem to become more pesty during severe dry spells....just looking
for a drink.
no firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
> I walked over to my woodpile to pick out a few pieces for a small
> job. I had some 2x6 PT stacked on the ground - these pieces had been
> there about 3 years. I turn them over and ....... riddled with
> termite damage to the point they had zero value.
If one lives in a termite zone, is it not rather stupid to "store" lumber
in direct contact with the ground for a month, let alone three years?
I had the same thing happen to me with PT 4x4's from Lowes (top
choice). I carried them back to Lowes and complained. The department
manager said the warranty was from the supplier and not Lowes so they
wouldn't do anything. I asked for the store manager. He said to get
replacements off the pile out front, but he wasn't happy about it.
The problem is that the treatment does not penetrate all the way
through the wood. It leaves an untreated center. As the wood cracks
& splits as it normally does, it leaves an opening for termites to
enter and eat out the untreated portions. You then end up with a
hollow shell of wood.
Where's good old creosote when you need it? We once had stuff that
killed termites, prevented wood rot, toilets that flushed, no bed
bugs and shower heads that would blow you out of the shower. I think
our technology is devolving. 8-)
It's not the epa. PT wood has always had penetration issues. They
want to cycle the wood through the pressure chamber as fast as they
can. And they don't want to make sure the wood is properly dried
before hand. So it's almost impossible to get saturation all the way
through. Any cracks or end cuts expose what is basically untreated
I used that tree cut repair tar to coat pt wood in situations where
I'm going to bury it and it's critical that it not rot.
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