Maybe "prepared for this by living in California" meant
developing a general attitude of preparedness.
It sure helped me. Especially being there during a major
And I live in another earthquake risk zone, even now.
Get Credit Where Credit Is Due
We rarely have lethal weather, at least for humans. Quakes happen every
once in a while, as do snowstorms, but so far most have provided personal
entertainment rather than terror. Electricity was off for a number of hours
while they spliced the mall across the street into the system. Cable has
been out longer than that. Biggest nuisance is the goddam Rose Parade,
which lasts for DAYS.
Five months of non-stop rain = mudslides blocking roads for weeks at a
time (ever been to Big Sur?) and houses slipping off hillsides yearly.
I'm sure plenty of people experience flooding, as well. The city of Napa
comes to mind.
Five months of non-stop rain + seven months of hot, dry summers wildfires/firestorms, which threaten/damaging multitudes of homes
yearly. The firestorm in the East bay was deadly, and the hillsides are
still scarred with areas that haven't yet been rebuilt.
I'm sure the people in the Sierras have few tales to tell about massive
snowfall and its effects.
Just to name a few.
for some reason this isn't including the rest of the thread ...
is beside the point.
Most parts of California don't get very cold, at least as compared to
the upper midwest. Different areas require different praparation.
We have a lot more power problems here in Hawaii than they ever had in
California, but we never got cold ...
(and our water is really gravity fed. I do keep some bottled water
around in case the filtration fails).
disaster preparedness to me includes:
- food that can be stored without refrigration and (at least in a bind)
be eaten without cooking (you propane stove doesn't help if your house
was flattened by a hurricane or earthquake, but you may still be able
to find the cans or boxes)
- enough batteries of all sizes we use
- enough tarps to cover the house (or what's left standing) including
bungee cords to secure them - as I mentioned, we don't usually get
cold here, but we can get very very wet. Wet can easily cause
hypothermia even here, and in very little time.
Maren, Hilo, HI (do you have any idea what 40"/rain in a day is like?)
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When I lived in California (the Bay Area, specifically), we had a
power outage that lasted well over 48 hours because of a "storm".
In this "storm", the winds got up to a whopping 20 miles/hour, and
we received maybe 2 inches of rain in a 24-hour period. It turns
out PG&E had just cut a bunch of jobs in order to save money a few
months earlier, and the jobs they cut were the people who were
responsible for maintaining the lines (making sure trees were
trimmed and so on) and repairing them. So a bunch of tree limbs
fell on the lines and cut out power, and it took forever to
repair them, so we were without power for days even though nothing
big had really happened.
Luckily we had a natural gas water heater which did not need
electricity to start, and it was January so it was not too cold
outside, and we did fine without heat. But it was still stupid.
I experienced the same thing -- probably not the same storm
though! In any case, living without power for 48 hours
is really quite miserable.
I just got up early, went to the office and shaved and
showered there. Worked late, ate out and went home to
Home really was nothing more than a place to sleep.
Now that I work at home and have three kids, it would
suck very much indeed!
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
Oh, the first 48 hours is almost (and, in some respects, literally) a
It's the second and the start of the THIRD 48 hours when it beings to get
That's what happened to us in the "Northern Neck" of VA when Isabel hit the
We get 4-6 hour outages every time there are high winds or significant snow.
Ice storms can put out "off the grid" for a day.
Unfortunately, our generator is just about impossible to start when it's
And yes, we need electricity for our water and heat. We have "back up" LPG
heaters. Next on the "wish list" is a kerosene heater that will also
provide some light.
AND we found out that hard way that LPG comes in a "winter mix" and a
"summer mix." The difference is that the "summer mix" only provides
enough gas pressure to make the regulator work when the tank is over 70F.
NB: LPG isn't necessarily pure propane. It's often a mixture of propane
and butane and "whatever."
I'm with you, that the first two days of my power cut were an
adventure in camping in. By the third day, the coldness had
soaked into the very center of my trailer, and it was really
getting miserable. If I'd not had the generator to run the
furnace, I would have had to move my matress into the kitchen and
Interesting about the summer and winter LPG. Much the same with
diesel road fuel, I've heard. A trucker going north with a tank
full of summer fuel might have jelly in the fuel lines when he
gets to some place cold.
Christopher A. Young
You can\'t shout down a troll.
I keep some candles, flashlights, kerosene lamps around, I keep the propane
bottles filled so we can grill if we want, but since we have a gas range,
only the oven is affected. City water is not a problem either. If I lived
in a very rural area I'd have a generator. In my entire life, only after
Hurricane Gloria were we without power for about 30 hours. Longest time
otherwise is maybe an hour. Give that 60 year history I can't justify
spending a lot of money for equipment.
I have a drawer full of high powered flashlights and batteries
including two that plug into outlets go on when the power stops.
Also two battery powered radios, one a headset, the other with speakers.
As for food, plenty of canned food,water and dehydrated stuff.
I'll admit to being surprised. After reading your common sense
posts for so long on this group, I would have figured you for the
most prepared guy on the list.
OTOH, knowing your priorities demonstrates wisdom, which is a far
Christopher A. Young
You can\'t shout down a troll.
My house has a well and sump pump which are critical. First thing I did
when I bought the house 18 months ago was to buy a 6 kW gasoline powered
generator, and had an electrician install a 10 breaker panel in my basement
and an external outlet to connect the generator to the panel. I selected
the 10 most critical circuits to run on the generator, including the well
pump, the sump pump, the fridge, and my oil furnace. I also keep 10 gallons
of gas in the garage. Haven't had an outage yet, but I can sleep at night.
I did same. Generator and panel have been in place one year and used
3 times with longest outage 20 hours. It is my opinion that the power
infrastructure has been deteriorating over the years. We live in a
treed area and power company has been saving money on tree cutting.
Just about whole neighborhood has generators.
Yep. Now repairs, etc., are underfunded because of profits, whereas
before it was underfunded because politicians did not want to tick off
their constituents so the Utility Commissions never raised rates.
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