The rain was hammering the house all last night and now many areas are
flooded with some roads closed. As luck would have it, we've had a new
roof put on the house in the last few years and got some help to tar
around the chimney and plumbing stack in the bathroom in the last few
months. I looked for leaks in the ceiling but didn't find any. Here on
the mountain I'm sure we were on the high end of the rainfall. Not only
did it rain but the temperature was in the low 50's F. Darn that Global
This was a huge storm cutting across a number of states and I wonder
what some of the posters experienced over the past 24 hours with the
monster rain? ^_^
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 08:35:45 -0400, Frank
Here's something interesting about "climate change" I found posted in
response to a liberal biased news article
Man-made climate warming/change is quack science used by
big-government tax and spend politicians and special interest groups
to justify massive new taxes and government control (think gas cans,
light bulbs and carbon taxes). Indeed, many of the UN-IPCC input data
assumptions used in the Global Warming Climate Change computer models
are egregiously unrealistic, e.g. CO2 uptake via the global ocean/air
interface, effects of solar activity, very limited data sampling,
sub-surface ocean current movement changes, chronic underestimate of
methane effects, variability of volcanic ash and CO2 ejection, methane
overestimation, etc. There are many others. As the developers of
computer models like to say: "Garbage in, garbage out".
The IPCC previous report, in 2007, was so grotesquely flawed that the
leading scientific body in the United States, the InterAcademy
Council, decided that an investigation was warranted. The IAC duly
reported in 2010, and concluded that there were "significant
shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCCs assessment process",
and that "significant improvements" were needed. It also chastised the
IPCC for claiming to have "high confidence in some statements for
which there is little evidence".
Indeed, A peer-reviewed climate change study released in Sept.2013 by
the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change finds the
threat of man-made global warming to be not only greatly exaggerated
but so small as to be "embedded within the background variability of
the natural climate system" and not dangerous.
Want more? How about: The dysfunctional nature of the climate
sciences is nothing short of a scandal. Science is too important for
our society to be misused in the way it has been done within the
Climate Science Community. The global warming establishment has
actively suppressed research results presented by researchers that do
not comply with the dogma of the IPCC. -- Swedish Climatologist Dr.
Hans Jelbring of the Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics Unit at Stockholm
Consequently, I nominate this for a Carl Sagan Junk-Science award. As
you may recall, Sagan is the "scientist" who popularized the nuclear
winter global cooling hysteria in the early 1990s. He was an early and
avid advocate of self-promotion and "popular" science, subsequently to
become more accurately and descriptively known today as
"Junk-Science". Junk-Science was valued by Sagan and his followers
because it allows an advocate to feel "good" about himself without
requiring a factual basis. Sagan has since been eclipsed by Al Gore
and BoBama as the preeminent Climate Change Delusionals and advocates
of Junk-Science for the masses as a basis for political power and $$$
grabs. But Big government tax-and-spend liberals couldn't sell Global
Warming because everyone noticed it was actually getting colder; so
they changed their mantra to Climate Change. That way ANY annoying,
inconvenient or unpleasant weather could qualify as a justification
for massive new taxes and government control.
For info about big-media bias on this issue, read "LA Times bans
letters from climate skeptics" (you will have to search for it because
this site doesn't allow posting of links.)
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
More or less my sentiments.
Those advocating the draconian methods to control climate are the
political progressive class and even if put in effect they will also
tell you that they will make little difference.
I also like to point out that climatologists supporting global warming
just about all work for the government. They may be scientists but they
know where their paychecks come from and know you get along better if
you give the boss what he wants.
0.15" in a couple of sprinkles Fri evening and Sat morning...another
band was promising last night until it all fell apart when got within
about 20 miles...
That's most measurable since a couple small snowfalls back in early
March...still no relief in sight for the 3-yr drought...
We'd be happy to take it...
Where are you located my friend? We had a serious drought here in
Central Alabamastan a while back with reservoirs getting low and crop
failures but now rainfall seems to be back to normal which means we're
getting a good bit. An old saying about Alabama weather is, "If you
don't like the weather, stick around, it will change." I've witnessed
"Climate Change" for more than 6 decades and I've seen that it evens out
and we wind up with an average climate over a number of years. I've seen
warm winters and very cold winters, the same for summers, some very hot
and some very mild. Climate changes, it's a normal thing for it to do. o_O
Far SW KS...
As far as the widespread "don't like it, it'll change" saw, "you ain't
see'ed nuthin' yet" in that regards down there as compared to the High
Spent 25 yr or so in E TN thru their "drought"...was more than our
annual average in the worst of years. Of course, in that hard red clay
and all that vegetation, it takes more but they don't really have an
appreciation for what real drought looks like. A shortage relative to
normal on occasion, yeah, that they get east of the Mississippi now and
Just for the fun's of it, I looked at the past March for a point
somewhere in sorta' mid-Alabama outside of major metro area -- Alabaster
happened to show up quickly
SW KS deltas Mid AL deltas
Max High 78 F 82 F
Min High 8 F 70 F 43 F 39 F
Max Low 46 F 56 F
Min Low -5 F 51 F 29 F 27 F
Max Day swing 58 F (24-82F) 38 F (39F-77F)
Max Sust Wind 45 mph 24 mph
Max Peak Gust 54 mph 39 mph
Precip 0.05" 2.16"
Want some variation, come west, young man... :)
Why heck feller, you folks don't have any mountains to break up all that
wind. You listed Alabaster which is 75 miles South of me here in Eastern
Birmingham. I live on Ruffner Mountain just outside of Ruffner Mountain
Park and Nature Preserve. This neighborhood is filled with trees and
every critter native to the area. My roommate had an African parrot in a
cage on the front porch so the green squawker and talker could look out
the windows and not be bored like he was inside the house. It wasn't
unusual for us to hear a loud "Wham!" from the front
of the house and when we looked, there was a stunned owl on the ground
that had just flown into the window trying to get itself a tasty green
feathered meal. Every morning starts with the calls of every variety of
bird from the nature preserve and Sandy, my Rotthuahua, loves to chase
the squirrels that infest the area along with every other sort of four
legged critter you can imagine. There are fox and coyote in the area but
I've never seen any. ^_^
How about http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus?
More like a comprehendum of positions that a "study" per se... but I'd
have to think that it represents the views of many people with expertise
who have read studies that lead them to their positions.
Some quotes from that web page:
======================================================================="Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree that climate-warming
trends over the past century are very likely due to human
activities,1and most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide
have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is
a partial list of these organizations....
AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES
- American Association for the Advancement of Science
""The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by
human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to
- American Chemical Society
"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential
future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely
attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a
very serious problem." (2004)4
- American Geophysical Union
"Human-induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the
major influence on the global climate change observed over the
past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen
negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012,
- American Medical Association
"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on
Climate Changes fourth assessment report and concurs with the
scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global
climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant."
- American Meteorological Society
"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant
cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is
human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse
gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane,
and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
- American Physical Society
"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no
mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earths
physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human
health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse
gases beginning now." (2007)8
- The Geological Society of America
"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by
the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research
Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities
(mainly greenhouse-gas emissions) account for most of the warming
since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9
- International academies: Joint statement
"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in
understanding a system as complex as the worlds climate. However
there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is
occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising
surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from
phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating
glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is
likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to
human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science
- U.S. National Academy of Sciences
"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently
clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases
in the atmosphere." (2005)11
U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
- U.S. Global Change Research Program
"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to
human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints'
also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system,
including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric
moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments
- Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from
observations of increases in global average air and ocean
temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global
average sea level.13
Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since
the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in
anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.14
*IPCC defines very likely as greater than 90 percent probability of
That would suggest a cabal that doesn't seem possible in it's
complexity. I have a pretty dim view of human nature, but that includes
people's ability to cooperate.
Exxon or the Koche brothers, I can see: they're bonded together by a
mutual desire to maximize profits.
But virtually the entire world community of scientists? What do they
stand to gain? I'd think vanishingly-few of them have any significant
economic interest/investments in alternative energy ventures. I would
think they are just trying to get published and not have their
colleagues rip what they've published to shreds.
From what I've read, China and India are both running scared. For
starters, they are both heavily dependent on snow melt from the
Himalayas (SP?) which is no longer coming in the volume they have come
to depend on.
I've seen or read (can't recall which) articles on India's efforts to
build catch basins to help mitigate the problem on their side.
China, of course, is kicking the world's ass on production of
photovoltaics and windmills.
Of course, China is also building coal-fired power plants
hand-over-fist... and one could think they don't give a rat's ass about
the climate or air quality.
But in big cities, there's actually a class thing now where people of
means can afford to have the air in their house extensively filtered and
to send their kids to school where the air is likewise processed.... So
I would think that somewhere in the power structure, they see a serious
problem and are trying to figure out what to do.
That's what they've got in it -- 90% of environmental research is funded
by government grants so in a "publish or perish" world the only way to
win a grant and therefore retain their professorship is to follow the
lead of the funding agency.
Now, being an engineer/physics guy meself, I don't think 90%+ really
intend this but it's the inevitable result of eventually succumbing to
the current research trend.
There's no way one can put any serious credence in the details of the
models over the time frames they're projecting--it's ludicrous.
So do you deny that the world is getting warmer or do you agree with
that but deny that human activity is significantly responsible?
I think that both are true, and as we all should know, more heat
equals more volatility so more extreme events. I do enjoy reading
folks talking about this being part of a natural cycle, like the
climate scientists aren't aware of the natural cycles.
Naturally the scientists are usually receiving grants from governments
- who else funds work that doesn't really have quick financial
rewards? Certainly not corporations that have a vested interest in
selling more fossil fuels.
As Pete said, if this is all some huge conspiracy by those horrible
leftists, I would think that some of the millions of people involved
would spill the beans.
I do hope that you are correct, and that we aren't heading for really
serious climate alterations, but I think that we are.
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