OT. Middle Class Living

I would think that practically everybody does that. The presidents of companies do it and their people have to do it. Al Gore does it and got rich telling others what to do but I guess that is not really work.

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Not in the sense of telling others what they should do because of who the teller is.

I didn’t mean in the sense of who gives the orders. Military generals like Paton and Eisenhower were never upper class.

He was always rich, inherited wealth.

The upper class don’t work.

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Swer

It is not just telling others what to do.

It is more like the kings of countries and some others that may be kings or queens. Not sure how far down the line it goes.

I don't know how it applies to the countries like the US that the people are elected, but would think that the congress, president supream court, and maybe down to the local mayor and such.

It would not be the CEO of a company, that would be a middle class. Maybe an upper middle class.

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Ralph Mowery

The guy I mentioned does not need to work. He works because that is all he likes to do. With his wealth he would be upper class status but probably not be accepted as such since he had to work to get rich.

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It certainly extends to the major land owners who have tenant farmers etc.

It doesn't really, they don't have a true upper class, tho you can arguably claim that say the Rockefellers and those they associate with socially get close.

But doesn't include the Kennedys etc.

That's mad. Tricky Dick Nixon, Truman etc were nothing even remotely like upper class, let alone the dregs like Spiro Agnew.

A few of the english PMs were upper class like Churchill but none of the Labour ones ever were.

Yep. And the more successful like Gates, Jobs etc.

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Swer

Sure, but that’s just as true of the most successful middle class and quite a few of the more successful working class too. In spades with those who have been lucky enough to have a decent oil field under their land. Doesn’t make them upper class.

That’s true of plenty of all classes.

< not be accepted as such since he had to work to get rich.

Plenty who did have to work to get rich are certainly upper middle class in later life.

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Swer

Software development doesn't require constant learning? New to me; maybe I should go back to FORTRAN IV on punch cards.

otoh, I am sure a significant number of MDs are doing the same thing they've been doing for the last 30 years.

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rbowman

In the '80s Massachusetts had the bright idea of converting redundant schoolteachers to programmers. That worked out really, really well..

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rbowman

Fuck all...

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rbowman

You don't work, you don't eat. Or more to the point

In the U.S.S.R. work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: "He who does not work, neither shall he eat."

Article 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution.

AOC's studies of Marxism apparently didn't get that far.

The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:

Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand: Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.interest)-slavery.

Points 10 and 11 of the NSDAP program

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rbowman

Dunno about punch cards, but quite a few people work with Fortran. It's a "niche", and pays well. C will probably be the most used language in the next couple of years, maybe Python as a close second. My son studies maybe a couple of hours a week. (He's a programmer). I used to study 3-4 hours a day. No, there aren't that many "breakthroughs" in programming.

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Not in a competitive country where you have to pass exams to get employment. Stop studying for a few years and you won't pass. Since most positions are a two year contract, you can't stop. I suppose where medicine is private and you have the "gift of the gab" you'll never have to study. There will always be suckers willing to pay for bad advice. []'s

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Shadow

As in either profession, teaching or programming. What's your point? []'s

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Shadow

Not true of the upper class, or of those on welfare either.

It was never that black and white even there.

Pity about Article 125

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Swer

That your original was just as stupid as you usually are, dumb f*ck.

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Rod Speed

The Boing 737HAX is an example of programming done by dumb fscks.

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Guillaume Faury

But .. but they were the bestist of the bestist!!!! []'s

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Shadow

There is a lot of legacy code that just won't go away. I wouldn't be surprised that in the back room of some government agency there isn't a card reader on life support.

The methodologies of determining the most used language leave a lot to be desired, but don't forget Java. Android gave it a boost. Twenty years ago I thought it showed a lot of promise but I don't think it lived up to the promises. Oracle's thrashing around isn't making it any more attractive.

I mostly use C/C++/C#, with a little Python. Python is ESRI's scripting language of choice and I do quite a bit of GIS work.

It depends on what you're doing. Staying on top of the field requires more than a couple of hours a week.

No, the basics haven't changed. Knowing what language/framework you're going to use for the next project takes more work. Is the horse you picked going to die next year? Will that shiny new language scale well? What exploits were carried out this week?

afaik in the US after you go through the hazing mandated by the AMA you're good for life unless you screw up badly. Surgeons and other specialists may have a more challenging environment. GPs on the other hand can slide.

As for advice, it might take some work to stay current with today's pronouncement. A drawback of living too long is seeing the paradigms go around like a carousel. That applies to almost every field.

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rbowman

My brother worked for Boeing in the '50s. At the time the philosophy was to hire 100 engineers and keep the one or two good ones after they proved out. I doubt the program has changed.

In a place like Boeing there is enough politics and pissing contests that even a competent programmer may get to the point of 'only following orders, dude!' Pointing out glaring errors that were decided well above your pay grade is not a good career move.

I never worked for Boeing but I have worked on one DoD project. The miracle is that the planes manage to fly most of the time.

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rbowman

The three most important words that a corporate employee needs to learn and speak with enthusiam: "Great Idea, Boss!"

Yup, that's a fastrack to the door.

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Wage Slave

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