I find that it's just as hard as in the past to find the kind of used
car I want, especially the color. I had promised myself 37 years ago
that I would hever have a black top or black upholstery, but one car for
sale has black or maybe charcoal colored CLOTH upholstery.
Would that be hot in the summer like vinyl and leather are? I wear
shorts all summer and even my medium brown leather seats are hot to
touch but when I had black vinyl, that was burning hot.
But I'm not sure about cloth. ???
On Thursday, November 3, 2016 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-4, ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
I've had dark leather seats and cloth seats. Never a problem with
them being hot in the summer. For one thing sun doesn't fall directly
on the seats for the most part, so they are just at the temp of the
car interior. And there is AC. Whenever I've gotten into a hot car,
the problem has been the overall temp, not the seats. I suppose if
you're in AZ and have direct sun at the right angle to get into the
car, then it may make a material difference.
Cloth should be no problem. I have a dark grey car with a black cloth
interior. It sits in the sun, on the south side of my house, which
really cooks. The car exterior gets hot, the inside is warm, but the
seats are fine. I can easily sit on the seats in shorts. Once inside, I
do open all windows for a while to let the warmed air out, then turn on
OTOH, I also have another car, red outside, with black leather seats. It
sits in the same place as the car above. The seats get so hot, there's
no way I can sit on them, in long or short pants, before letting the A/C
run for a while.
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 3 Nov 2016 17:19:40 -0000 (UTC), Boris
Everything you say is exactly my situation. Thanks.
For decades I was happy I didn't have cloth seats because with a
convertible, I didn't want the water soaking into the cushions when I
leave the top down and it rains. But it turns out it's not a problem.
The foam is stiff for the first 5 or 10 minutes, but after that it's
normal again. And cloth didn't crack like the vinyl did when I put my
knee on it to reach over to the passenger seat floor, or like the
leather eventually did a bit (both cars were 14 or 15 years old.)
But that cloth was a light color, certainly not black so I was still
Given the same temperature environment, I would expect all materials to
arrive at the same temperature. However, there is a difference in how well
materials conduct that temperature. Metals do it well, feathers, not so
In sunlight, dark colours will get much hotter.
1. lawn tractor seats - compare the common black vinyl with the
John Deere yellow - on bare legs after they have been sitting in the
sun for a while ..
2 . Socket wrenches - compare your "black chrome" set with the
normal silver chrome set - after both have sat in the sun for a
while in your driveway ..
Depends. Will the leather and vinyl be hotter or just feel hotter?
Many people get confused at actual versus feeling temperatures. It all
about heat transfer.
Take two materials common in many houses carpet and ceramic tile. They
usually are at the same temperature, but feel different. Say your house
is 70 degrees. Your body is about 97 degrees. Barefoot, you stand on
the carpet and feel comfortable, but on the ceramic tile you feel cold.
Both are the same temperature. Your foot on carpet is supported by a
group of individual fibers surrounded by air. Since air is a poor
conductor of heat you don't feel much heat being sucked from your body.
Steop on the tile and you feel it as being colder. That is because you
have greater skin contact and the tile has greater thermal mass so it is
taking the heat away from your body faster.
Same principle applies to the leather versus cloth seats. Dark colors
absorb more heat from the sun, but the smoother material will always
fell different than the textured, be it hot or cold.
So. Mickey was asking about ball bearings in a manner of speaking. They
feel colder/hotter than feathers. .
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:01:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
Very good explanation. Yes, it's very noticeable how the tile floor is
cold all year long. (not cold enough to put a heater in it like a few
Thanks for all the answers. I'm sure now that the seats would be
comfortable enough, but I haven't had time to go see the car anyhow, and
partly because I'm afraid I still won't know whether to buy it.
I don't want to buy a car now, but otoh, Chrysler had stopped making all
but v. small convertibles (except this year they have a new one coming
out. I don't know anything about it except that it's 35 or 40K and I
won't be able to afford it for another 5 years (when the few they've
sold the first year are 5 years old.)
So I should start shopping early. And in theory, late fall is a good
time to get a good price on a convertible, but otoh, I plan to go out of
the country for 10 weeks and and I hate to have so much time when I
first have a car getting old while I'm not using it.
I did manage to manipulate the HOA into repairing the parking lot drain,
so at least I don't have to worry about the car being flooded now.
Convertible? In the sun it will be hotter than a light color, but not
as hot as leather and smooth vinyl will feel. That cloth seat is
probably not cloth anyway but some sort of plastic with a textured fuzzy
In a regular sedan, won't feel much different than any other color. My
present car is black leather and feels no different than the tan I had
in the past.
Leather has a smooth surface that gives more skin contact than a
textured cloth type material so it won't feel as hot or cold. Same as
tile versus carpet though both are actually the same temperature.
For me it would not be a deal breaker.
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